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Found this perplexing date while roll hunting my first ever penny box today. The coin is a 196-something. It looks like maybe a Grease Filled Die left off half of the final digit but when I line it up next to every other 1960s penny nothing seams to match the placement and angle of the line. 4 isn't as steep an angle, nor is 2. Almost looks like an upside down 7? Has anybody seen one of these before or have any insight? thanks everybody!   |
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sadly it is just damage. the date is 1961 D, the 1 took a hit which damaged and moved the metal to a point where you can barely tell what it used to be.
Feel free to call me Will.
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You think it's PMD or something in the minting process? I've just never seen one like this. Looks like a pretty direct hit on only the 1 then? |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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 PMD 1961 D Not sure if it just happened, or was done on purpose. I can think of no way this would have happened in the minting process. Of course ... just my opinion |
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United States
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I have more than one 1961 with the one being slightly slanted to completely crooked. How does the number move if it's pressed on.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Technically it's not pressed on, the metal [from the planchet] flows into a void in the die during the striking process. Similarly the metal can flow from a violent post-minting impact because copper is malleable.
edit: added "[from the planchet]"
Edited by CelticKnot
03/10/2016 12:52 am
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Thanks for reply Celtic knot, you've shown me that I need to become familiar with the minting processes. I wasn't aware that extra material was added to form the design. I had always thought it was pressed into the planchet. Thanks again.
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BushyBandit, you are correct. There is no extra metal added, and I dont think that is what CelticKnot meant. The planchet is malleable so when it is pressed by the observe and reverse dies it is pressed with such pressure that the voids in the dies are filled with the malleable metal of the planchet. It is crushed from both sides at the same time and fills in all of the grooves in the dies creating the raised parts of the coin.
I was just confused because my assumption was that the dies must have been grease filled when I saw what I thought was only part of the number. It makes sense that it is a one with damage, but couldn't wrap my head around how it could have happened once it left the mint (unless someone with a chisel moved it on purpose) I wasn't sure if there was something else about the minting process that I didn't know about that could have caused this. Something in the machinery that knocked the 1's around. haha.
Thanks everyone for the input.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Mayflower, I don't think grease would cause the damage here. Typically grease just obscures/mushes/blurs details, it doesn't relocate them.
To me this looks like impact damage. Probably no way to ascertain exactly how the damage happened, but it's fun to guess.
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 nice Lincoln Cent anyway .... Thinking in start a book only with this kind of damaged coins , I have a few of them ... I know does not add any value to the coin but I think those damages make the coins unique ! |
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United States
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I own a 1941 with the exact same damage pattern on the 1. This is 100% PMD. Oddly, at a local coin show, I found a dealer with four of the 1941's just like mine. He had them labeled as "errors". I attempted to teach him about errors but he refused to listen and said "they are still errors". LOLOLOLOLOL All he cared about was trying to get $10 each from ignorant collectors. Lincoln Cent Lover!VERDI-CARE™ INVENTOR https://verdi.care/
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I attempted to teach him about errors but he refused to listen and said "they are still errors". The only error here was his judgment.  |
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I can see why that last numeral would have made you ask. It's always nice to have plenty of good responses on such a coin.
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The only error here was his judgment. Another dealer once had a cent (don't remember what it was) labeled a " DDO $25". It was a cent not known for any significant doubled dies, so I asked to see it. It took me all of 5 seconds to determine it was just Machine Doubling. I told him that it was not a doubled die and I explained to him about Machine Doubling. He actually listened but then right when I was leaving he said "it's still a 'double die'." There is no educating some people. Both of these guys were LONG TIME dealers in their late 60's-70's! Also, both know me as a Lincoln collector with extensive knowledge....no matter, they are still selling "errors" and "double dies".  Edited by BadThad
03/10/2016 3:19 pm
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