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Valued Member
China
106 Posts |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1211 Posts |
My 2 second reaction is "not genuine".
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Valued Member
 China
106 Posts |
My 2 second reaction is "not genuine".
Give the reason why.
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Pillar of the Community
Austria
566 Posts |
Come on, this is a good authentic coin, why "not genuine"?
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Moderator
 United States
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@nicholashsing, are the two scratches on the neck on the obv on the coin or on the slab? I can't tell from the pics.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Valued Member
China
106 Posts |
@dspenciner that's on the slab indeed.
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Valued Member
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IMO, coin has slight rub; however it will sell all day as Uncirculated.
Now, I'm still waiting for the "Pillar of the Community" to tell us why he believes it is not genuine so I can be a more informed collector.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1211 Posts |
Surfaces do not look correct, IMO.
If I personally saw this coin for sale, first thing I would do is see if it stuck to a magnet. I would avoid personally but without seeing in hand, I cannot be certain.
Perhaps I am wrong. I am human. Sorry for any confusion.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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...first thing I would do is see if it stuck to a magnet... No piece this accurate is going to be some circa-2005 Chinese magnetic cheap knockoff. The seller is known for certain silliness (copper dipped, um, recently = BU, etc.)... with nearly all his offerings going into his own "slabs". This piece IS genuine (that aspect is not usually a problem) - whether it could be one of Bob's clandestine restrikes, I'll defer on. Suffice it to say, not a modern counterfeit... I would say the detail is a strong AU (no less), with actually a pretty nice strike... but you can determine that for yourselves. The issue appears to be the coin's surfaces - the toning does not look natural from the pics. That has likewise been my impression of MANY of the portrait 8R he offers... |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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There is more than one issue here.
First, without being able to see the edge there is little way to be sure about an English or US restrike in silver. The edge could be reeded or blank - simply no way to know short of removing the slab.
Second, there are horizontal scratches on the coin on both faces that to my eye look like adjustment filing gouges NOT scratches in the plastic holder. These do not effect final grade and can be a good sign. The vast majority of the Silver Counterfeits made for China DO NOT HAVE ADJUSTMENT LINES.
Third, I agree that the surfaces of this coin are mottled and appear to have been chemically altered.
Fourth, the strike is either slightly weak or there is post strike wear on several of the coin's high points. I would need to examine those areas under a binocular scope before I would accept any MS grade at all. Even with grade-flation wear is wear and MS-63 coins have NO WEAR.
I did check the design for a match with the 1772 matrix block of Charles the third and this coin is good. The dies appear punched and the alignments are very well done. There are no indications of forgery or counterfeiting at all on the faces of the coin.
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I believe it is likely genuine, but I can not be certain without seeing the edge.
The coin can NOT be tested with XRF as long as it is in the plastic holder.
I would personally consider an AU grade for the coin as accurate but not MS.
I would NOT buy this coin at full retail.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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there are horizontal scratches on the coin on both faces that to my eye look like adjustment filing gouges NOT scratches in the plastic holder. I thought that as well. Quote:
Third, I agree that the surfaces of this coin are mottled and appear to have been chemically altered.
Fourth, the strike is either slightly weak or there is post strike wear on several of the coin's high points. I would need to examine those areas under a binocular scope before I would accept any MS grade at all. Even with grade-flation wear is wear and MS-63 coins have NO WEAR. Point #3 actually ties in to Point #4... If the piece had unmolested surfaces, even if heavily toned, you would be able to get a better feel for whether there is some high point wear there or not. As is, with the only surface-deep spray-on look sort of masking things... hard to tell. It does have a solid strike, though... Impaired surfaces aside, I think a lot people may prefer a piece like this, calling it, say, AU-58 detail, just a touch of rub... to a technically UNC piece where you have the fairly common flat areas on the shield, neck, rim, etc. Of course, if the soft-struck UNC had legitimately nice original luster... different story. |
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Valued Member
China
106 Posts |
I want to know NGC can give this coin a score like AU58 or only AU/UNC details in terms of eviromental damage/artificial tonning/cleaning or something else#65311;
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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nicolashsing Provided the coin is genuine - once the edge is visible, I would believe that NGC would be likely to give an AU details. Assigning a numerical grade would indicate original surfaces, which I do not believe is the case here.
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