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What's Up With This Coin? 1921 Morgan

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This coin has baffeled me. I thought this coin was scraped, bu tunder magnification the area show to be raised. I think this is what is refered to as a lamination error. The effected area extends across the face of the coin from E to UNUM. There are also weird spots on the coin that are raised, but the don't look like your normal die chip, they are round.

Here are the pics. Tell me what you think.
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 Posted 02/13/2008  8:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NGiles to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oops, I meant to hit the other button.
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This one has one of the weird spots also.
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 Posted 02/14/2008  08:30 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MorgansRmine to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pictures are a little dark. See if you can get some with better light. Also I noticed this coin is in a plastic capsule. Take it out before shooting pics as the plastic tends to distort the image. Looks interesting.
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 Posted 02/14/2008  08:50 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
NGiles, you might want to edit the post title to reflect the fact that this is a 1921 Morgan- that will get you ALOT more attention
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 Posted 02/14/2008  09:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coppercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Struck through viscous material - most likely grease.
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The microscopic pictures were out of the holder, and they were darkened to cut out the glare from the microscopes light. They show the detail the best this way.

Would being Struck Through Grease cause the spots in the stars and date? I have a lotmore pics I will try and post some more later.

Thanks for the feedback.
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They look like bubbles. Are you sure there isn't some type of clear glue on the coin?
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I have looked at them under 200x magnification and the spots are silver. They do look like bubbles though. I know it's not possible at the mint, but it looks almost like droplets of molten silver, however the location of them makes it unlikely to be post mint. If you look at one star with the spot on each "shoulder" it makes me think that they had to be done at the mint. Molten splatter wouldn't be that consistent

here's a different angle of the one star.
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I will try to get some with better lighting tonight.
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Here is another pic at 200X of the big spot.


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I'm inclined to agree with the post-mint theories, if only because I can't imagine anything happening to a planchet or coin at the Mint which would cause all this. However, there are recessed details that indicate a strikethrough, as Coppercoins mentions. It almost seems like this one has had two separate instances of bad luck.

Either way, it's definitely one I'd like to have found myself.
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SuperDave,

Thanks for your feed back. I just can't figure these guys out. The shape and location of them makes me think that the metal was in a fluid state when they occured. Maybe the viscuss material it was struck through caused the metal to react in this way. There are also raised lines on the cheek area I hadn't posted pics of. This is one odd coin.

Heres a pic of the lines.


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 Posted 02/16/2008  12:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Crop circles.
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Nice Jim,

I think you've solved the mystery.
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I don't see the bubbles as a strikethrough. They're raised, right? A strikethrough would make them recessed, punched into the coin. The strikethrough part is the area around the N and the star in your earlier pics. That's why I think this one had two problems.
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Yes, the area around the N in coin is the strike through area. As for the bubbles, they are all raised off of the coin as if they were a die chip. The one large bubble on the star is both raised and recessed. By that I mean it appears as if it were a small "BB" of silver that was pressed into the surface. in all it is raised off the surface, but the field behind it is indented. the other 3 bubbles just look like raised bubbles.

I still like the crop circle theory:-)
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