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1792 Half Disme To Be Graded

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This is my avatar coin, and it is one of my favorites. There are a lot of stories surrounding this coin, and collectors and numismatists have argued over them for years. I have my opinions which you can judge right or wrong.

First the facts. On July 13, 1792 secretary of state, Thomas Jefferson, supervised the striking of 1,500 Half Dismes in the Philadelphia cellar workshop of John Harper who was a local artisan. The coins could not have been made at the first Philadelphia Mint because the property had not yet been purchased, let alone prepared for producing coinage.

Jefferson's presence was required because he was the cabinet level officer who had responsibility for the mint. Since the bonds that were required by the Coinage Act of 1792 had not been paid, he had to supervise the operation. Jefferson took delivery of coins, and he and George Washington probably handed out many of them.

The coinage of a silver piece, not matter how small, was a significant act for the fledging republic. Gold and silver coinage was a symbol of sovereignty, and these small coins provided a statement that The United States had arrived as a nation. George Washington described these coins as "a small beginning" in coinage in his annual message to Congress.

Now for the myths and controversies. Martha Washington did not give up her silverware to provide the silver for these coins. George Washington might well have supplied some or all of the silver, but it was almost certainly in the form of Spanish and other silver coins that he had earned from his plantation. These coins represented the most efficient use for $75 worth of silver. It hard to image how small the Federal Government was back then compared to now.

Second, these coins were not patterns as many numismatists have claimed. The mintage of 1,500 pieces was too high for that, and most of the 300 or so survivors are in circulated condition, WELL circulated condition. These coins were a small attempt to stabilize the American monetary system, which had been flooded with light weight, often counterfeit copper coins, with pieces that made of "good silver."

After some lobbing I got the NGC registry people to include the 1792 Half Disme in the U.S. type set registry, but it is still listed in the early Half Dime set as a "non competitive item" with no registry score. If that confuses you, you are not alone. It confuses me too.

I bought this coin from JJ Teaparty back in the 1990s when I lived and worked in the Boston area. From what I've heard they got it from Stacks'. A few months later they offered me a chance to trade up to a better one, but I just couldn't swing it financially. Since then "the better one" has changed hands in a couple of auctions for over $100 grand. Ah well, you can't regret what you couldn't do. This one is no slouch.
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Amazing coin. I'd have to hit the lottery to own one of these. Congrats!
Grade...high VF or low EF, not a type I am very familiar with.
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Bill, I think I used to own that coin. If I am correct, it was in PCGS holder graded XF-45.
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Bill, I think I used to own that coin. If I am correct, it was in PCGS holder graded XF-45.


Unless you had it prior to 1992, I don't think so. That when I bought it, and it is in an old NGC "fatty holder."
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I love coins with cool history. And that is an amazing coin with lots of history! I do not know how to grade this type but will offer that VF is what first comes to my mind. A piece of history that I would love to own but...they are very hard to find within my budget;) Actually very hard to find within any budget. Beautiful coin!


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Martha Washington did not give up her silverware to provide the silver for these coins. George Washington might well have supplied some or all of the silver, but it was almost certainly in the form of Spanish and other silver coins that he had earned from his plantation.

I wonder if XRF testing could could prove the origin of the silver? I know that Swamperbob from the world coins section has made a fairly good argument to show that the composition of silver/copper/gold/etc can tell a lot about a coins origin.
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I grade this Half Disme:


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In the short amount of time that you have joined CCF, it has been an eye-opening pleasure reading your posts and comments. You have shown some coins in your collection that are equal to that of Auction Catalog Plate coins. Just when I though you may have shown your best, than you come up with this Half Disme.
All I can say is thank you for joining CCF.
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A WOW coin! Thanks for sharing and the history lesson.

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Amazing!
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My gut says VF-30 or so. Still a -worthy specimen. I will likely never own one myself.
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A WOW coin! Thanks for sharing and the history lesson


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I love old coins. The history is fantastic and the designs are great. And you, sir, are a fascinating guy. Thanks for sharing.
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Great coin and thanks for sharing.
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Fascinating piece of history, billjones!
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Great information and certainly a coin worth drooling about.
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Fantastic!
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Amazing coin for any personal collection. Thank you for sharing!

I'd expect some strike weakness for this issue so I'll assume the soft peripheral detail is mostly not from wear. The centers show enough actual wear to bring the grade to VF-35 or so. The color and surfaces look original to me. A "fatty" NGC holder predates "details" grading so NGC must have agreed this beautiful piece is problem-free.
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