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How Can You Tell If These Are Brass Plated?

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Is there any other way besides weighing them
to tell if they're brass plated?



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I think when it is Brass the coin is kind of greenish and also there is a difference in the weight of the coin (though I am not sure what it is). If you can weigh it so when the experts see your post they will have more information to work with.
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Thank you CoinCents. My camera didn't get the color very well
but it looks yellowish/greenish. I don't have a scale, but I believe
it's 2.52 is a normal weight and the brass plated is 2.50 if I'm correct.
I'm wondering if this is another way besides weighing them to tell?
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I took a picture with the three I have this color with the other coins to
compare the color. There is a fourth there as well but looks a bit different
Maybe because it's a tad dirty.. But the ones I have appear to be more on
the greenish/yellowish side.

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Can't tell by weighting them. A brass plate will have a yellow look to them.Type brass plate in the search box upper left of page for info.
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Brass plating instead of copper plating makes good metallurgical sense to me.
Brass is an alloy of copper and zinc, which should be ideal for bonding to a zinc core.
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"Normal" weight can be + or - 0.04g, it seems. When weighing cents I will regularly see that much variation.
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They can't be told by weight.

The weight of the plating on a cent is about .05 grams. If the plating solution is so contaminated by zinc to result in a yellow brass 70/30 CU/Zn plating (and they would surely change the solution before it got that bad) would result in a reduction of the weight of the plating of .01 grams.

When you consider the Weight Tolerance for the cent is +/- .1 grams or ten times as much, you can see that weight will not identify a brass plated cent. So all you can do is either make a judgement based on color, or use an XRF scanner to try and determine the zinc content of the plating (and hope it doesn't read through the plating and get confused by the zinc content of the core.).

Then you have to decide how low the zinc content can be and still call it "brass". Since the plating is supposed to be pure copper, any zinc in the plating technically makes it "brass". But no one calls them brass plated until the color is noticeably different and there is no set zinc percentage at which that occurs.
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Mint tolerance for a cent is +/- .13 grams so weight will be a tough call. XRF is the way to go.
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The weight of the plating on a cent is about .05 grams.


I did not know this! Where did you find this information? Or perhaps you did not find it, but calculated it?
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If they were BU they would be collectable. Circulated examples are hard to prove that is what it really is. Ken Potter sells BU examples from time to time.
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1995-D Brass Plated Planchet Strike

I know there are 1983, 1985-D, 1997, 1997-D & 1998

ken potters page on them http://koinpro.tripod.com/Brass.htm

mint says possible on any date from 1983-1998

This one is a 1995-D question what is the weight or test for one?

Pictures next a normal cent & weight below

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Regular weights in more at 2.52
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Brass Plated at 2.50
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Wow interesting! Thank you everyone for sharing your knowledge on this...
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I did not know this! Where did you find this information? Or perhaps you did not find it, but calculated it?

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