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I Went Off The Deep End. I Won An 1884 3CN On Ebay!

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 Posted 02/17/2008  11:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Wish me luck: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...WN:IT&ih=023

I'm leaning towards sending this in to PCGS right away. I only wonder why this is raw to begin with, which does worry me somewhat. I spoke with another specialist in the area of 3CN and he also felt that this is a true business strike.

Fingers crossed.
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 Posted 02/17/2008  11:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add of-grampa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That is a very pretty coin!
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 Posted 02/18/2008  12:12 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1sikevo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Think it's been cleaned. I'm looking at the obverse and there is dirt around in the crevices but the fields are clean.
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 Posted 02/18/2008  12:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Awesome coin!
If it turns out to be a genuine business strike I'd say you got a killer deal. It does look like an honestly circulated coin, although it could of course have started out as a proof.

I would also wonder why Sterling Rare Coin did not have it slabbed, if it really is a no-problem business strike. I'll keep my fingers crossed, too!
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 Posted 02/18/2008  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Amazon99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very cool. I hope it is a business strike. Keep us updated. I've never dealt with Sterling Rare Coins, but they were selling a couple of rarer Shield nickels that are worth more as business strikes than proofs (like in this situation). My only problem with them was that it took them two e-mails before they replied to my larger photo request. Then they said that they don't have any larger photos and that pretty much broke the deal for me. I also think they have their coins raw for a reason, but for some coins I wouldn't mind if they had a light cleaning.
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 Posted 02/18/2008  09:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's nothing, at this point, that indicates any sort of cleaning on this coin. If I were to see any hint of it, it will go back and I'll take the approximate $30 shipping loss. I've had a couple of other people take a look at the auction coin and neither said anything negative about the coin. In fact, one of the two people notoriously hates just about all ebay stuff and calls it all cleaned. The pictures don't reveal that.

The pictures do reveal what a business strike would like like in a nice XF grade, though. The basic factors seem to all align up with what should be a business strike.

Still, I'm a wee bit concerned why this isn't in a TPGS slab. One reason might be is that a company such as PCGS will not slab it as a business strike if it has more than high AU wear due to diagnostics wearing off. However, for this date, the one diagnostic that Alan Gifford writes about should exist in just about any grade (lack of bottom, left ribbon connection to bow).

I'll post high-res scans (which will likely be cut down a bit by my picture host) as soon as I get the coin.
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 Posted 02/18/2008  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add j_h_s to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCGS, et al wont slab cleaned coins, right?
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 Posted 02/18/2008  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jaobler to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
PCGS and NGC will body-bag coins that they believe have been cleaned. They however are fairly inconsistent since I and many others have seen coins in their slabs that certainly look like they were cleaned.

ANACS will slab cleaned coins and deduct points from the final grade depending on how severe they consider the defect to be. This is called "net grading". ICG has just started slabbing "problem" coins and will assign them "details" grades according to how much wear is present. Both ANACS and ICG will state the nature of the defect on the slab label.
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 Posted 02/18/2008  11:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gussyboy1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What a beautiful coin ,Prethen! Best of luck with it! And thanks for sharing it with us--I learn from every post someone makes!

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 Posted 02/18/2008  11:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mr merc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with 1 sickevo for the reasons he stated, the devices do not match the surfaces, it may be an old cleaning but a cleaning none the less.
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 Posted 02/18/2008  12:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Vaslin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice going Prethen!

I'm on the 'it's not cleaned' wagon on this one.
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 Posted 02/18/2008  1:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add aceman732 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow! That is a RARE beauty. I would be a little nervous too, but the coin looks to be problem free from here. 3CN are definitely underrated. They really are beautiful and rare...usually an expensive combo.
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 Posted 02/18/2008  2:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add 1sikevo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wish you luck Prethen. Please do tell us the result of your submission. Looks like Mr Merc and I vs everyone else :)
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 Posted 02/18/2008  2:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hadleydog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Raw, rare and on the 'bay worries me as well, but it is a series you are familiar with. The seller also states that he guarantees it's a business strike (in the Q&A section), I would make a copy of the ebay listing just in case there is a problem.
Has this coin been cleaned? Hard to tell from the images, but the thought also crossed my mind as soon as I looked at the coin. I don't know.
Good luck, Prethen!
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02/18/2008 2:10 pm
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 Posted 02/18/2008  11:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MLFLY to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can see why someone would think the possibility of cleaning exists but I'd have to see that one in person to decide.
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 Posted 02/19/2008  09:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Prethen to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
For those that think this "might" have been cleaned, I'd be curious to see images of 3CN coins in this grade that you feel do not look cleaned.
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