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This is the first coin I've ever owned designed by Robert Scot ... and I've done all the research I can to arrive at my own opinions ... now need yours as the real experts. I say authentic, VG in grade (hopefully) and O-119 as the die marriage. Obverse ...  Reverse ...  Hopeful the true expert can weigh in ... David |
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United States
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I would seriously question the authenticity of this coin. Aside from the overall questionable "look" of the coin - particularly the wreath, I've never seen the eagle's feathers on any FH Half Dollar or Dollar engraved to look like that... unless they were re-engraved/tooled at some point.
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04/17/2016 9:13 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I am far from an expert on this series but what is off the front tip of the bust? Part of a misplaced date? Anyway I wouldn't touch it without professional authentication because the outcome could be a $2 token or a $2000 coin.
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Surfaces don't look right to me either. Here is a no-no site coin:  There are enough differences to make me think that a) it did not come from the no-no site, or b) it is a no-no site coin that has been altered. If possible post a picture of the edge. If it is fake, it will look like this:  Edited by TypeCoin971793
04/18/2016 07:24 am
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What I love about this CCF: "I know nothing but..."
How's this one: "This is not my specialty but..."
IMO, Your coin is a genuine O-119, looks F-15. Check to see if the rims are filed as they appear beveled in the photo.
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What I love about this CCF: "I know nothing but..."
How's this one: "This is not my specialty but..."
IMO, Your coin is a genuine O-119, looks F-15. Check to see if the rims are filed as they appear beveled in the photo. My comments are directed at the OP, not you. If someone wants to spend $2000 on a raw coin that could easily be counterfeit then I will say something regardless of how well I know the series. Here's the OP's coin above a genuine O-119 F12. Look at the reverses. No way I'd touch it without professional in-hand authentication. That is the point.   Edited by BH1964
04/18/2016 12:10 pm
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I see filemarks on the reverse. I am going to say genuine. I still don't like the color.
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I know nothing.
Becuse of this I have several questions
1. I seem to see quite a few differences in the letters and their relationship to the leaves to think that it is not from the same reverse die. Does tis mean it is counterfeit or just perhaps a different O number?
2. The surfaces look to have uneven strike and wear paterns. Is this not expected in 18th century American Silver coins?
3. Does the abrasion on the obverse look recent? (it could just be this crappy monitor)
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Bedrock of the Community
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There's a multi-million dollar black market in coins running right now and U.S. coins are at the top of the counterfeiters list.
Look at the berries in the lower reverse comparison above. Then look at the surfaces and other devices in the same area. You be the judge.
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The surfaces are obviously severely abraded, but otherwise it looks like a genuine O-119 to me.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Why trust a guess? Just have ANACS or one of the other TPG's authenticate it for 20-30 bucks. Money well spent either way. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis |
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Tryna, I know even less!
Please indicate the different positions you see in the designs. I cannot find them yet. Perhaps it is due to wear as this tends to flatten and spread relief designs.
Next, this is an obviously very worn coin. IMO, the toning is not original and the surfaces have been altered.
A plus on this coin are the adjustment marks (scratches in the photo). So far, the counterfeiters are not making state-of-the-art fakes with adjustment markes but you can bet they will start as of now! All they need to do is file the planchet before striking it.
As one poster said, this is a coin that should never be bought "raw." IMO, it was already detailed graded and cracked out.
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Look at the berries in the lower reverse comparison above. Then look at the surfaces and other devices in the same area. You be the judge. I see no discernable difference. Wear and color can create illusions. |
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SkippyPNB, I will try to.
1. The first thing I noticed was the Min America.
On the first coin the serif at the bottom of the left hand leg looks balanced and even on both sides. The same serif on the second coin (the Known Genuine) is heavier to the inside of the M and looks to go closer to the left diagonal.
2. the words look to be slightly lower to the rim on the first coin
3. look at the first S in states the first leaf looks to end farther under the S than the same leaf on the second coin. If you follow each leaf under the word states many of them look to end in a slightly different position on the two coins. leaf on the first coin
4. The end of the stem near the U looks different (this could very well be wear difference)
Hope that helps you.
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IMO, everything you are seeing is due to the lighting on the coin. I still cannot find any differences looking at the places you cite.
NOW, some advice for you from an old man. STICK TO YOUR GUNS AND BELIEVE YOUR OWN EYES IN EVERYTHING NUMISMATIC! I learned that long ago. I have butted heads with the best of them and eventually won. I have also lost a few times...:( Comes w/the territory.
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