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Valued Member
United States
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Another interesting cent, 1944 "clipped". Both curved and straight or die break? I laid another cent on it in one pick to show it is the same curve, so it had to be a cent cutter. It has the rim though and obviously not cut through. I thought the straight line was a straight clip but now believe it to be a die break with small Cuds. The wheats and rim are pretty intact so what order of events took place here, the damage after the pressing of the coin, or before? Thoughts and input please and enjoy!, Robert     |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Looks like a detached lamination flap. A clip (incomplete planchet) will occur along the edge, and the loss of metal will encompass the total thickness of the coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The straight line is neither an incomplete clip nor a die break. Straight clips are formed from a blank being punched from the edge or end of a stock metal sheet. Unlike curved clips, it is impossible for a straight clip planchet to retain an attached section. It might be a lamination but it could also simply be a cut. The source of the curved line is inconclusive based on the provided photos. A curvature matching that of a cent is not absolute proof that it is an incomplete clip, PMD events can also create a similar curved impression. A closer picture should help but compare it to the genuine incomplete clip shown on the CWT below-  Edited by biokemist6
04/27/2016 4:54 pm
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Valued Member
 United States
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Excellent point about the straight cut is never incomplete!! I never thought that one through to that point. A straight clip is not actually cut but reached the end of the roll and wasn't enough material. Where the two stalk meet the straight line, there are Cuds. The line appears to be lifted like a die break too. I can take closer photos and will do so and post them. Thanks biokemist6 Robert |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Nice token! This thread is interesting-just curious,on the token since the incomplete clip event happened before the token was struck why is it we cant see the upper half of the U in EUREKA?
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Notice that the denticles are missing in that area as well, there is a sizable Cud on the opposite side which caused the strike weakness. Of course, you most likely would not be able to figure that out unless I post a picture of that side as well  Both sides are a complete mess which is why it is one of my favorite tokens   |
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United States
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Excellent point Slamnbass! that is what I am saying too about mine, there is a hard time explaining the order of events. Along with HOW?
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Robert
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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The obverse side does not show a partial clip on the OPs coin. There is a ghost appearance of the stems. So to me it looks like a lamination or a struck through thin scrap on that area. Possible lamination from another coin)  Something like this one? Note the peel. I would to see the edge on that area to see if it falls over the edge of the coin? Also to see if the edge is smooth or ragged near the rim? |
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United States
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Coop, I already had these photos coming when I read your post. I hope these cover it, if not, I will re-take some. Light from two different directions and one pic from an angle.. Thanks, Robert    |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That would certainly explain it thanks biokemist-man I love that token! Especially since ive recently started getting more into them and acquiring a few...robert great pics! Just my opinion but sure looks like a lam peel to me too. And why is that last pic playing mind games with me?  Edited by Slamnbass
04/27/2016 8:05 pm
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Is the weight normal? If it is not light, then it may be a struck through issue. If it is less than normal it might be a lamination peel. (the shape tells me it is a struck through issue)
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Valued Member
United States
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It weighs 3.04 grams. Others weighing in at 3.05 on the same scale.
Robert
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Interesting. Then it sounds more like a peel. But why that shape?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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If normal wheats are coming I at 3.05, the scale is fairly inaccurate (they should be 3.11). Still, it sounds like this weighs about the same as others.
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Valued Member
United States
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Numisma, I will have to calibrate the scale, or check its calibration. It did come with weights to do so and I never have that I remember. Slamnbass, the last picture really plays with me too. The only difference is the direction of the light. I am taking these freehand with a Fenix flashlight and a Canon EOS 7D Mark II. I have lens extenders and magnifiers on a 50mm lens.
I held the light 180 degree different then the one above it. It makes it look incuse doesn't it? It reminds of those mind-bender puzzles
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Robert
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Valued Member
United States
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I checked the calibration and it is dead on. I found that I had a lot of variance in weight of pennies. they ranged from 3.05 to 3.11, with no real explanation like wheat v memorial or really mint vs wore.
It is one the readily available "cheap" ones and we are talking about hundredths of a gram...
Robert
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