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What makes you think this is an SP 1964 . It is a circulated business strike . worth 0.01 .  |
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The description of every SMS cent from 1964 according to PCGS and Heritage? I went through 3 rolls of only 64's and found ONE with die polish lines like this   |
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This isn't messy, rushed die polishing as described? It's completely typical that the Polish lines would run N to S and clash with Polish lines running E to W like it is above Lincoln's nose? If it's normal, than what makes the SP an SP? The square rim like this one has? I'm at a loss here does someone here work for or even know somebody at PCGS?
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Oh Boy ! coop can you please chime in here and explain to jimmyjohns what he has .  |
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There are different forms of die polishing. Sometimes they use a wire brush/sandpaper that leaves lines usually in several directions. Other times they may polish the die with a rotary polisher. The will leave more circular lines and often hardly any as they get smoothed out. I'm just seeing die polishing on normal dies on your coin. Nothing out of the ordinary from what I can see.
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Thanks Coop. So many mysterious techniques in the minting process it's hard to tell up from down. Is there a chance that maybe the "sms" 1964 coins are just well timed marketing on refinished dies of the 64's minted in '65? Just wondering because I've seen quite a few similarities and there's no REAL answer to the SMS question. Why are they not in the Coneca listings if they're so special and unique? You'd think one of each denomination would be attributed to 100% certainty...Your explanation makes absolute sense but I'm wondering if someone had a BU coin exactly like this one in the 90's and capitalized on it being unique. Probably a new thread in itself. I guess until I see one in person I'll hold off on calling bull
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Finding one of those coins in circulation would be like looking for a certain shaped piece of sand on the beach. They would probably be easier to find in mint sets that someone saved and now are selling or they may have passed and family is getting rid of them. (to them they are just change) So being in the right place at the right time would probably be the only way to find these. A lot of new collectors will find a coin and instantly think they have found the holy grail. We see people sell coins like this on ebay and shake our head. Best to take the time to see what is out there and know what to look for. Then you will find something that is collectable. Grading coins: Sometimes when you see a coin listed as a certain grade on sites, you will have to consider this fact. Sellers who grade their coins grade them about two levels higher and buyers grade them two levels lower. So it is common to see an error when judgment is made on coins. The key is knowing what is being common to find and something that is very rare. You ever see an auction that the coin is totally incorrect the way it is listed? I usually check their other coins and often find stuff that they missed and are not selling off as a regular coin. Other times, they are just consistently wrong. LOL But that is what I do when searching for coins on ebay. |
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Im still thinking they're just refinished dies for the date freeze minting of the 1964's. Do you happen to have a close up of the devices like I showed on my nickel? I can't find one anywhere. The extremely heavy lines on the devices outer edges make me wonder. I know that's not normal. They're deeply struck and made different lines around the outsides than other 1964's. The nickel is pointed out by being "extremely well struck, but lacking detail in the lower cheek" by Heritage. What's that even mean? I can only assume the sharpness of Strike they refer to to be the sharpness of the perimeter of the devices if his cheek is no big deal? Same with Lincoln. "Extremely well struck".. But still can't make out his beard? That makes no sense...
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Edited by coop
05/13/2016 2:48 pm
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Are they considered scratches then? Like the lettering and such looking as if there are ice cicles hanging from them? If they were put into service, wouldn't they have the same markers and be considered SMS as well? I'm not being argumentative, just trying to get to the bottom of these. Is "probably" and "most likely" the best way to sell these for $30,000/nickel in 2016? How do I get ahold of pictures of the die devices that are up close 40x of the SMS coins?
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I actually just ordered a 1964 Mint Set from California where the silver pieces look promising. They were in an art auction where someone was selling them from an estate sale. All uncirculated still in their acrylic case. Maybe they'll be what I'm after. Seems like somebody selling art may be the best bet on finding the rare set.
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Even if it were, there wouldn't be much value because of the condition. Imo
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I'm going with coop on this one but I'm sure no matter what the condition it would be worth at least $100 if it were an example of an SMS. The Poor Man's Special Strike lol
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jimmyjohns , with all do respect because all of us have our own opinions about ever single thread or post. And my opinion says your over valuing your coin by $99.99 . |
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