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What Was NGC Thinking When They Graded This?

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Besides the scratches this has a gouge the size if the Grand Canyon on the face. By the way what are those strange scratches all around the rim? Was it in a jewelery mount?

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I'm not seeing the gouge on the face, at least not from these photos, and I don't see anything abnormal about the rims. Everything I see that you could be interpreting as scratches look to be the result of a late die state.

Could you post a larger picture of the coin and describe which areas are giving you trouble?
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Those "scratch marks" are from the beaded rim that was flattened at the mint (open collar strike). I don't see a face gouge.
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I don't see any issues with the coin pictured.
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It's that dark spot just to the right of LIBERTY. It's tough to see the depth in this screenshot but in NGC's verification pic it certainly looks like a gouge.
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Looks like a toning spot to me.
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Looks like a carbon spot to me
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 Posted 05/19/2016  11:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add syeb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So you don't think it goes beneath the coin's surface?
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im not seeing an issue?
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Looks to me like it meets the technical grade. It just does not have the eye appeal, though.
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with westernsky. As he mentioned, the coin has everything you could possibly want for the grade of AU 55, EXCEPT very little eye appeal . Also, I'll go with paralyse that it's a carbon spot. Jack
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Agreed either a carbon spot or a fading late die state. I see nothing wrong with the coin but it does lack eye appeal
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And I believe the scratches around the perimeter are due to metal flow.
I think it's a late die state.
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Perhaps his "Grand Canyon" is the scratch behind Ms. Liberty's eye. It does not look that bad in the photo, but maybe it looks deeper in person.

At any rate the coin has been dipped, and it was made from a well worn set of dies which makes the edges look stretched and odd. It might be over graded by 5 points. I would never call it "choice," but it's not terrible.
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My "Grand Canyon" is that spot to the right of Liberty. Looking at the best pics I can see (from the seller and on NGC) I still cannot tell for certain whether it affects the surface only or if it is below. In the better pics there is some shadowing that makes it seem like it is actually a gouge. So maybe not the Grand Canyon at least a small valley.
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