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1811 8 Reales I Think Froom Peru

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#4 of 8R's I bought today

Hoping for the same opinions
One - see anything that looks fake
Two - Any value over silver


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Yes, the mint mark indicates Peru. I've seen this particular type referred to as having an "imaginary" portrait.

Again, there appears to be a chop at the bottom of the reverse, which is a little unusual since generally 8R's that found their way into Chinese commerce came from Mexico.

Colligo ergo sum
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The 1811 Peruvian 8R appears to have been polished. It may have come from one of the postal society folders. Those coins are notorious for being damage or counterfeit. The polishing did little to help value.

In this case I believe that the coin itself is genuine but it has been damaged above the portrait. It appears that someone may have started a hole in the coin to expose the core.

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At first this coin did not make it into my "to buy" stack, because of the damage.
But for this purchase I tried to pick four coins that were different.
Maybe that was not the best choice.

I am hoping the NTR test for these coins turn out to be good.

I am thinking they will end up in my small silver treasure chest. They
might look better in there than in 2x2's and sitting in a box.


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This is one of the coins I had taken into NTR, to have tested on their machine.

94 4% AG
5.5 % CU

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GR58 You said:


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This is one of the coins I had taken into NTR, to have tested on their machine.

94 4% AG
5.5 % CU


The NTR machine - was it capable of detecting Gold (Au) and Arsenic (As) as well?

If it was set to detect those two elements and did not detect one or both at a level exceeding 0.2% - than the coin is NOT a coin that was actually manufactured in Peru in 1811.

There was no place on earth that could produce 99.9% fine silver at an industrial level in 1811. In a laboratory (where advanced science was beginning) it was possible to produce purer silver but only at an expense that exceeded the value of the metal.

That is precisely why when you encounter pure silver dated before 1850 (for silver recovered from lead) or 1870 (for the non lead ores found in Nevada). Those two dates fix in time the points when 99.99% fine silver could be economically produced on an industrial scale.

So check with NTR and determine if they included As and Au in their search.
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Swamperbob
I should have read this response before replying in the other thread..

I will see if NTR can be asked if they are checking for As and AU.

NTR sometimes gets busy, at this location. And only has one employee.

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