Bank Of England Dollar 8R Overstrike. Lima Undertype ?

Whilst we're talking about the Bank of England dollars what do you make of this one ?

They were minted for a lot of years, but the date never changed. It's another reason I really like this coin :)

Thanks,

That's what's throwing me off too. I've weighed it and weighed my overstrike 8r too and they're pretty close, this has passed my magnetic slide and swing, it also passed the ice cube test. To be honest though if it was to be a counterfeit I had hoped it would be a contemporary.

Here's the images of the Edge. Being a collector of British empire I don't have a steady footing with the 8 Reales, that's why I've bought swamperbob's book too get myself a steady footing.



The following two images are at 180 deg of each other then after that it's the full circumfrance of the coin.

Here's my PCGS certified example of the oval counterstamp on an 8 reales. The shape of the oval and tilt of the head are two obvious differences.

The 1804 issues are both genuine Soho dies no problem there. The under type is very hard to see. I would not dare to guess.

Regarding the oval stamp of George III - that is unfortunately a Numismatic Forgery - just the stamp. It is fairly obvious given the wear on the stamp versus the coin itself. And of course the design of the King's portrait is simply wrong. It would be called an Altered original 8R by myself.

Agree the oval counterstamp is fake. I have seen a lot of these in the past 7 years, most of them coming from Spain or the UK.

Regarding the 1773 - I concur: numismatic fake stamp on a genuine 8R host.

While not the same stamp, the general idea sort of reminds of this piece that appeared recently (with several other pieces that were also curious - 111992018660, 111992014846):
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Great-Brita...111992004361

That new 1804 BOE dollar is definitely is an upgrade in terms of visible undertype (not nearly a prominent on these as opposed to the Brazil 960 reis). Personally, the way I look at these... if the undertype is vague to the point where it takes a ton of study and some guessing to call it... does it really matter? Probably not in terms of value - though it can be a fun collector game to play.

Careful there... Spanish coinage dies of this era were made from individual style element punches, so there can be variation when looking at relative positions.