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Proof 69-70 Question

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 Posted 02/26/2008  09:27 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add GodWeTrust to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello All-

I'm a complete noob to coin collecting of any kind. I might have a handful of Sacagaweas somewhere in the house, but that's about it.

Right now, I'm looking to focus on 2007-2008 items.

So, since I'm still at the point where I'm deciding what to start buying, here's a question that comes to my mind: If I order a "proof" silver coin or bullion from the US Mint site, what are my chances of getting a high grade proof? In other words, is it better to suck it up and buy current year PF70 or take my chances with stock from the Mint?

Thanks!
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 Posted 02/26/2008  09:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GodWeTrust to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As a follow-up to my own question, maybe it would be better to ask: What's the average proof grade coming from the Mint?
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 Posted 02/26/2008  09:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Myst to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It really depends on what you are after. If you have decided that you absolutely want to collect everything graded in PF70 then you should just go that route and buy the slabs. The more recent trend of buying super high grade slabbed coins has a lot to do with people putting together registry sets online for rankings etc. I personally think it is a lot of extra money to spend for not that big a difference in material. Pretty much all of the coins I have gotten in proof sets from the mint were close enough to pristine for my tastes and I like the look of the complete set packaged together as opposed to a bunch of individual slabs. Also consider that in high grades often the differences are almost imperceptable with the naked eye and to buy them graded adds the extra cost of getting them graded to what they are already worth at retail. Personally I would stick to the regular mint offerings to pick up recent issues.
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I usually get a decent mix of proofs from the mint every year (one of each) and have yet to get one that I would consider "flawless" PF70. They are beautiful to look at, but on closer inspection, there is always some loss of definition in the devices from die wear. I think you would have to be very lucky to get one.

Regarding slabs ... the only company that I would consider for an investment grade modern proof in PF70 is PCGS. NGC and ANACS slabs won't make the grade over time.
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 Posted 02/26/2008  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add onejinx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Most of the proof stuff the US mint puts out will more than likely grade 69. I wouldn't waste my money buying 70's. My eyes don't see a difference looking at a 69 or a 70. Only difference is a huge price tag.
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Ummm,the proof 70's came from the mint !

Your chances of seeing the difference between a 69 and 70 are slim to none !

If your going to buy already slabbed then buy the 69's you will save a ton of money and never know the difference !

Myself ,,I will stick with the raw coins !

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It depends on the specific coin whether 70's are common or tough. They tend to be more common for the commems but proofs now are usually very nice.

For the circulating coins 68 or 69 are typical with a smattering of '70's and a few 67's.

I usually figure about 2% of an issue will stand out enough to be noticeable but this can vary quite a bit.

The cheapest way to build a set is to wait a couple years and buy a PR-70 but sometimes the price will soar and you'll miss the rarities.

It's really personal preference but for someone cheap, just wait till you can cherry pick a nice specimen from a dealer. Pay them a premium so they'll let you keep looking. You might not always get a 70 but you'll get a nice coin for little cost.
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My advice would be to evaluate whether you want to pursue only 69/70's. If so I would buy only PCGS coins that meet my grading choice. Though top tier TPG's , NGC and ANACS coins don't command the higher prices that PCGS coins bring. If you're new to coins I would expect that buying from the mint and choosing which to have certified would not be the best route to go. Although many experienced collectors do cherry pick from mint shipments it could prove to be an expensive learning experience.
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 Posted 02/27/2008  12:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GodWeTrust to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your great replies, especially the tip about PCGS slabs.

Of course, you guys are right, the price soars (and sores!) moving from PF69 top PF70. After spending a few hours today checking prices, I'm going to leave the certified PF70 stuff to the richer slice of humanity.

Instead, I ordered a George Washington presidential $1 in proof from the US Mint, and a set of the 2008 same. My thinking is that George will always be in demand as the first in the series, but as for me, I have to have proof over raw or even uncirculated coins. They're just prettier.

I think I'll pick up a few more 2007 and 2008 sets of the presidential $1 and keep up the series as it comes out. Along with that, I really really like proof silver commemoratives and American Eagles. So, I'll be bouncing back and forth between American Eagles (proof from the mint) and silver commems. I might even add some of that foreign silver proof stuff because it's so pretty.

Again, my thanks for the all the good info on the site and your responses!
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