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Circulation Finds - Low & Fancy Serial #'s & A Star Note Surprise

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I don't really collect low & fancy serial number notes, but do pull some from circulation that catch my eye..

Thought I would share them here.

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I also recently read the thread requesting members post their Star note finds, and before posting there, thought I would give the back story on a series 2001 F-* note I've had about a dozen years in storage..

I used to pull star notes from circulation and sell them as a set with a BEP $150.00 bag of Shredded Currency (from years past that would net me 50 cents profit per sale)..

From the late 1990's to around 2004 I shared a spot with another Coin Dealer doing shows in the New York Tri-State Area (NY,NJ,CT), then opened a ebay Store after a dispute..

Long story short, I stopped all public sales back in April 2006 after my ebay Store was hacked into, and both ebay & PayPal refused to provide information on who the hacker/hackers were, as I wanted to pursue Legal Action against them.. (I did learn that online criminals have legal protection due to privacy laws)..

In checking to see what stars I had left over, I noticed a series 2001 F-* note
that I've handled numerous times when setting up & breaking down years ago, and never noticed until today that the back displays a weak 3rd print serial number transfer opposite the right serial number..

The serial is F00172721*, and the transfer serial on back was partial, and weak (assuming the ink was almost dry when inserted), requiring me to dust off the ole' stereo microscope and change the 10x to 20x eye pieces to examine the serial number..

The serial number I came up with and believe to be 90% correct is B35329186B..

The only way to locate exact info, and check to see if it is remotely possible that this could be a genuine 3rd print transfer, was to check the BEP info on uspapermoney.info, and what I found was interesting..

The F00172721* was printed in March 2002 and B35329186B was printed in June 2002..
From November 2001 to June 2002, The BEP printed the following Blocks, A-A, A-B, B-A, B-B, C-A- F-A, F-B ,F-C ,F-D ,F-E, and the only Star replacements printed were 10,000 sheets each for both the A-* & F-* Blocks (320,000 run each)..

Star Replacements for rejected serials in the B & C blocks could have only been replaced with A-* & F-* Notes..

I also find it interesting that there were No Star notes issued for the "B" Block series 2001 replacement, yet there were 106 Runs with a total of 678,400,000 notes for New York..

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http://www.uspapermoney.info/serials/f2001_s.html

What did catch my eye was the COPE plate number & Sheet plate number are both B3..



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The front of this note is held to a light so I could compare both serial number registrations from the back of the note..

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Here are a few mirror image photos of the serial number..



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So, is this a possible transfer error that replaced a rejected B35329185B note with this star note? - maybe, either way I don't think it can be proven 100% as a genuine transfer error and therefore will never mark it as a error note..

Had I noticed this in 2006 when Mr. Escobar was Operations Manager for PMG, I could have telephoned him and request he check it out for his Expert Opinion and could have included it with the other rare error notes submitted back then.. In 2016, PMG leaves me shaking my head at what little they know on errors, and can't list serial numbers a 5 year old could figure out.
If I sound a bit negative on PMG, with what they charge, and their claims to be experts, I just had to make the necessary changes to the last 2 Pakistan double serial number errors, including listing the correct serial numbers..
I even had to change both grades as one was over graded & the other under graded, it seems they don't know the difference between Pin Holes & Staple Holes from Notes issued in 100 Piece Books (stapled together).. I held these since 2007 and kick myself for not submitting them 9 years ago..



And this is what a Star note with a $150. bag of shredded currency looked like in my ebay Store - $3.00 a set with $1.00 Stars & $4.00 a set with $2.00 Stars..



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07/04/2016 8:39 pm
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Nice .....I look for em occasionally.
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The serial is F00172721*, and the transfer serial on back was partial, and weak (assuming the ink was almost dry when inserted), requiring me to dust off the ole' stereo microscope and change the 10x to 20x eye pieces to examine the serial number..

The serial number I came up with and believe to be 90% correct is B35329186B.


Your F-* note with the partial serial transfer on the back is intriguing because of what it potentially reveals about the production process.

You're correct that F-* would have been used as a sheet-replacement run at the time that B-B block was serialed. But 35329186 can't be the serial number on the back because the star note is from plate position B3 whereas a note beginning with serial 353 would be from plate position A3. I'd agree that the first digit is a 3 but I have a hard time identifying the 2nd and 3rd digits. What about the 3rd digit being a 5 instead of a 3? A serial beginning 355 would be from plate position B3.
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@ xxJOExx

I am not 100% certain the serial number is correct..

I also didn't know that Star replacements should match the SAME plate position as the rejected note..

I also read your post from about 6 weeks ago where you posted BEP Reports on Production Plates used..

My whole thing with plate positions is for making serials of errors, along with notes awaiting confirmation (as with both the Natick & Web-Press serial number charts in my past posts).

I ass/u/me you're into BEP plate positions, and curious if there were any Records kept by the BEP on the Web Plates..

I ask this, as about 2 years ago, I thought I had located a new 5/1 plate for a series 1988A F-N Block Web note..

After contacting Bob Kv. , he advised me that I had the "Broken 4" variety where part of the 4 broke off, looking like a 1 at first glance.. It would be interesting to see if the machine operators noticed this while they were trying to destroy the machine (a opinion I read on where the Union Workers believed their jobs were in jeopardy should the Web Press succeed)..

I was going to see if you were interested in researching the Star note and posting your results on CCF, (pause) then I read where you do not collect errors..

As for the above note, I am willing to let it go for $1.00 in a large SASE to whoever is willing to do the research (I had done what I could).. My interest is in the research and not in any other value it may sell for..

For the younger generation, a SASE is a Self Addressed Stamped Envelope, where the sender mails their (empty unsealed) addressed Envelope, & the receiver drops said item in envelope, seals it and sends it back.

I would also question if the Star replacement notes would match existing non error plate positions when replacing a Inverted or Overprint on back error note, as the error notes plate position differs from the non-error notes in the 100 note bank pack.
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 Posted 07/11/2016  12:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jack jeckel to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I would keep them all.

As almost all of them are $1 notes what do you have to lose.

Maybe 10 years someone will come forward with some TPG graded insight and you can say I've had one 15 years before.

If you spend it then you become the "If I recall I found one of those back in" crowd
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 Posted 08/29/2016  9:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add xxJOExx to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a circulation find from the other day with a neat serial number:

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All interesting finds for sure.
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A ladder of sorts. Oh, and a plate position swap.

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This one is neat because it is only 1,002 numbers from the high serial in the run (06400000).

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I even had to change both grades as one was over graded & the other under graded, it seems they don't know the difference between Pin Holes & Staple Holes from Notes issued in 100 Piece Books (stapled together).. I held these since 2007 and kick myself for not submitting them 9 years ago..


With all due respect @Broken-Coin, pin hole or staple hole, the result is the same. I have seen auction descriptions naming staple holes, but don't remember seeing staple holes as a description on a TPG holder. Either way, to me they are both the same and I do not interpret any advantage or disadvantage of the terminology being applied in either application.

If you have small holes in your note, would you rather they be called pin holes or staple holes ? Please help me understand why it makes a difference.
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Must admit I am curious as well.
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Received this used up $20.00 today from ATM My lowest so far !

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