1958 D LWC Toner W/ Awesome Machine Doubling And A Rim Crack?

IMO, the so called doubling does not look like MD to me. This is because with MD it reduces the size of the devices and the size of the devices on your coin don't seem to be reduced. To me it looks like a form of abrasion doubling. I hope this picture taken by John Wexler will help explain. Note how the size of the devices are regular indicating that it is not MD, but there is still some enlargement but it is somewhat shelf like. So it appears to be Abrasion doubling.

Time to learn about Abrasion Doubling (lol) oh boy!

As for the Edge, the coin was the first coin on an OBW Roll so it hasn't seen too much action, and I tried to see if any metal moved or bulged but don't really see anything like that.

Thanks Coop. I was just reading about that ring on doubleddie.com And now I can visualize better, and that makes sense that it should protrude rather than incuse.
So coins fresh out of the mint can sustain such damage then I see.

Also, Coop, can you give us your input on the Motto letters and Abrasion doubling. I was reading on Error-ref.com that inside or outside abrasion has been found to be non-existent, but rather Die Deterioration. In either case, I don't believe there is a premium to this type of doubling, but I still think it's pretty cool.

Thanks John. And I actually don't mind input from anyone, it's just that Dustin and Coop have been helping me the most lately. Since I am new, they are the ones that quickly come to mind.

And since on the topic. PSD is post mint damage? and PMD, Pre mint damage?

I notice that some graded coins will have nicks and scratches and are BU MS with high grades. So even though it has some PSD, this doesn't affect grading because it is still MS and uncirculated?

Interesting.

PSD is preferred. As coins are damaged before they leave the mint. You've seen videos of the coins coming out of the machine and then falling into a big bin, damaging the coins they fall on. They are not careful with them at the mint. If they were there would probably be a lot more higher grade coins. PMD indicates that coins are damage free before they leave the mint. We know that not to be the case. Have you ever looked at mint set coins? You see them in such bad condition, that I quit buying them years ago. I find better examples in OBW rolls than in the mint sets.

On the UNUM devices you can see machine damage on them in your images. Not sure what you mean with the question on the motto question? Post the link and I will take a look at it.

The difference between Die Deterioration and die abrasion is this.
A die wears down from normal usage until the die is retired. That is Die Deterioration.

When a die is polished to remove a clash mark, remove a bad spot on the field, or sometimes they will polish them down so much that the devices get smaller.




So much of the field was removed that some towards the edges get progressively smaller at the top of the device when compared with the bottom of the device.




Abrasion is deliberate alteration of the die.

Die wear/deterioration is just from normal usage of the die.

Hope this helps to understand the differences.