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Canada
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Prior pence. Agree....even though there are super nice fields and a pleasing look, when you are drawn to that cheek gash you have to wonder. A coin for someone who buys the holder not the coin. IMHO a 64 at best. The grading on dollars has been slipping for some time now at ICCS. Makes one believe they have adapted to PCGS and NGC market grading. If there was a market for Canadian Coins right now , there would be a lot of opportunity to make money off of resubs from older 2 letter holders. 
Edited by Pacificoin 07/18/2016 5:47 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Am I incorrect that the "book" value on this issue at MS63 is about $30 Canadian? So over 20X that for an "MS65"? Very iffy at best.
Colligo ergo sum
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Valued Member
 Canada
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I agree Pacificoin I have a number of Two digit holders, have to take a look. May be time to send some borderline gems in  I am also trying to understand as I have a number of QE silver dollars from that era that could match that example or better, I have often in my mind relegated them to bullion value. So I look with a new eye. Am I correct in seeing what looks like a weak strike (flattened hair)?
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Australia
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Those "Hits" to HM's face may have happened Post grading. These ICCS holders are pretty flimsy compared to a regular slab and if something is dropped on the holder inadvertently it Will cause damage to the coin. From my limited experience ICCS is pretty "Tough" on its grading and I don't think that they would have graded this at MS65 with that gouge and other hits on the face.
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Valued Member
Canada
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@Lucky Cuss Most coin dealers and buyers/sellers go by the Canadian coin trends newspaper which has these prices for a 1966 Large beads. MS-63 $29, MS-64 $60, MS-65 $650 (of course I'm talking CAD) I agree the price difference is crazy and it's all up to what you're willing to pay.
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Taiwan
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ICCS prefers clean fields as this coin has so a 65 is somewhat understandable but the gash on the check is very disturbing and just jumps out at you. I would not want this coin at 64 money. IMO PCGS would grade this as a 64 as they place more emphasis on the high relief of the coin.
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I would not even pay 63 money. You could look through dealers stock and cherry pick better for about 17 to 18 dollars CAD. @Priorpence the hair bun weakness is a very common occurrence in the 1965 through 1967 Large bead bust. Probably a result of too high of a relief. The striking difficulties continued with 1968 nickel dollars as well. Full strike 1965 through 1967 are very hard to find .
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
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One of the reasons why I like to examine every coin in hand before deciding to buy.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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MS63 to MS65, ICCS basically grades the fields only of the obverse only.
Remember 'only' this and you'll start understanding their grades.
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United States
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Quote: MS-63 $29, MS-64 $60, MS-65 $650 Thus an instance of overgrading becomes a very expensive mistake for somebody else.... If I'm going to spend that kind of money, I want a coin to dazzle me. I'm hard pressed to see any dazzle factor in this case.
Colligo ergo sum
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Canada
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Playing devil's advocate..
The coin could have an outstanding strike and lustre, enough to make up for that focal point mark, and still be a "true" MS-65. Impossible to tell by that scan though.
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Valued Member
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Thanks Pacificoin for the info it is one of those anomalies that helps broaden my knowledge base.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The 63 limiting factor area:  I would never pay 64 money on this one. IMO
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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Quote: I would never pay 64 money on this one. I agree, let alone 65
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Canada
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It's impossible to judge these fields from a dulled out picture. Undoubtedly the eye appeal is poor and PCGS would penalize this coin because of its methodology of larger emphasis on effigy but it doesn't necessarily mean this coin is over-graded based on current criteria ICCS uses. Not paying the price on eye appeal is one thing, graded is another. Last but not least, later year common dollars in MS65 are currently selling in the 40% range at retail (even lower for 50 cent pieces. $300 would only be starting price for a good coin in this market and eye appeal would decide how much below that it would go.
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