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Indian Head Cent: Experts Needed

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So I picked this up recently. I need help to figure out if this is a proof issue or business strike. Also, what do you think it grades? I am planning on submitting it to NGC for certification.

Thanks in advance!

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I'm terrible at determining proofs, I will just say possibly.

Nice looking coin. The hair curl is pretty flat, could be one of those AU-62/63 sliders.

Sorry for being so vague.
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I don't see any obvious wear, but there is some apparent strike weakness on the lower hair curls and on the reverse denticles around 10:00 to 12:00. I think a proof would be fully struck so I presume this is a business strike. A proof should also have squared-off edges, but that feature really isn't visible in these images.

Potential grade should top off at MS-63 due to some small obverse contact marks plus three noticeable scratches on the neck.

The obverse toning is quite attractive but I'd be a little concerned about it. The centers have a brassy to pinkish color that could be from a chemical cleaning. Cleaned Indian cents can develop beautiful peripheral colors as they retone and that could be the case here. I have some colorful Indian toners that were rejected by ICG years ago, for exactly that reason. Hopefully NGC won't see a problem and will give your coin a righteous grade.
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Not a proof, agree 63BN, and you could well be right about the toning.
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I would think MS-63.
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1887/7 MS-63 but it looks like an old cleaning. Color in the centers seems off.
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Can you do a close up of the date ? Agree with IGE, the color isn't right.
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