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Why Are Toned Coins Often So Overgraded?

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Is it just me, or do the major coin grading services often overgrade toned coins? Sometimes toning looks good on a coin, but there are other times when it doesn't. And I've also noticed that scratches and other detracting marks seem to often get ignored by them on toned coins.
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I'm all for a nice, evenly toned coin, but I agree that splotchy toning should bar a coin from any grade in the "choice" range. I have a toned Canadian dime that is clearly AU or BU, but the toning is so heavy that I can't even read the coin!
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Because the have been "market graded," a practice by TPGs that I do not, will not, and can not ever condone.
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In theory, tone should not have anything to do with grade. It may have a lot to do with price. Aside from making a TPGer's job somewhat more difficult, I haven't seen much over grading. But that's just my limited experience.
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I agree. People who like toned coins are willing to pay more, those who do not will want to pay less. Ether way, toning should never affect the technical grade.
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I personally have a preference for a naturally toned old silver coin.
The aesthetics is part of this But the toning is also an indication that the coin hasn't been dipped as well.
The odds of a hundred year old silver coin NOT developing some toning over the years are pretty big and this is why I treat blast white old silver as suspect.
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Heavy toning to the point of developing a decent and attractive patina,
can hide very deep hairline scratches very effectively.

This can lead to over grading.

If you get a chance to examine a genuinely high MS coin with a thick patina,
examine it closely with a 15 - 20 loupe.
That sort of education would be to your great benefit in grading coins for yourself.
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