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-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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I use a home-brew system with a Vexta stepper that is driven by a Trinamic motor controller. Helicon Remote is optimized with Trinamic controls, using a FTDI USB converter. Since Helicon recognizes the FTDI driver, it sends the appropriate Trinamic control commands. It worked perfectly right out of the box.
I ended up buying some extra FTDI USB converters, and some Trinamic controllers, and am playing around now with different ways of automating stacking, but all using Helicon Remote.
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If you read Peter Lin's site, the WeMacro is all stock parts except the controller (which is a serial port device and a USB->Serial port converter). The expense is the precision parts and putting it all together. So yes, you probably can MacGyver a system. Well YOU, certainly. The rest of us, not so much...
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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I wonder if it's a Trinamic driver. I bet it is, as that's the easiest component to source. If so, then the system might integrate well with Helicon Remote. If anyone is thinking of buying one of these it might be worth asking. Helicon Remote is very user friendly and communicates with Nikon and Canon cameras directly through the USB connection. No additional camera shutter trigger cables are required.
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He actually has some images from his stacking program that seem to show fewer artifacts and truer color from his program than with the others. I don't think his code is open source.
-----Burton 50+ year / Life / Emeritus ANA member (joined 12/1/1973) Life member: Numismatics International, CONECA Member: TNA, FtWCC, NETCC, EveryCountry (online) coin club Owned by three cats and a wife of 40+ years (joined 1983) Author: 3rd Edition of the Sample Slabs book, https://www.sampleslabs.info/
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I've never worried too much about stacking artifacts for coins. The problems mostly come in with more 3D objects, with fine wiry features like hair or spurs. The only issues I've seen with stacking is in distortion caused by non-telecentric optics. I usually turn off any scaling that would normally happen between frames to line pixels up as the magnification changes slightly due to perspective. If I force no scaling, then the slight changes in scale frame to frame causes slight shifts in features (at the pixel level) as the depth map is filled in. This has proven to be less of an issue than the unsharpness that results from microscaling.
Helicon doesn't change color from the source files at all from what I can tell. "Truer color" may mean that things are being enhanced, which is a definite no-no for coins.
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I would be tempted except that I have a stackshot system. I am always suspicious of Chinese engineering( tolerances are usually not good enough) however this rail has 1 um steps, where as the stackshot only goes to 2um. Its not that I would use 1 um but rather the thread that allows for this has been machined finer than the stackshot's. I am sticking with my stackshot but if this new systems hangs around then I am anticipating that cognysis will start to compete...which could be good for customers
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They may be achieving smaller steps by using a stepper with smaller angle steps. I think the stackshot uses a 1.8deg per step motor, but recently 0.9deg per step motors became popular from Chinese mfrs and that may be how they achieve the smaller step size.
More important to me is repeatability and backlash. The rail I bought has essentially zero backlash. It goes exactly back to the starting or ending points. I think the backlash is less than a um. I have heard the StackShot has a bit of backlash, but I've never tested one. I wonder how much backlash the WeMacro system has? Is it spec'd? Backlash is very annoying when doing stacks.
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Quote: They may be achieving smaller steps by using a stepper with smaller angle steps reading the extreme macro review it is clear the drive tread is finer than the stackshot's. So I assumed it was the finer thread giving the smaller minimum step. However it could also be the stepper motor or a combination of the two
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Hi I'm William from WeMacro.Just found there was some discussion here maybe I can make it clear. First,about the software,we already updated PC software after Johan's review ... from http://extreme-macro.co.uk/wemacro-rail/The rail now can be controlled by windows though usb cable or bluetooth on Android phone.The app for iphone was completed and wait for app store approval. In new software,the backlash can be easily compensated by just pressing one buttom(the value of backlash is about 190 micron). There are two demo videos in youtube. New pc software https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_vKJJCJUGENew android bluetooth control(It's almost same in iphone ) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_NPN9j6ozkBy the way,the type of motor we used is 1.8 degree.We use micro step to achieve 1 micron step.And the price of the rail we change to 249 USD now.(without shipping charge and VAT)
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I have purchased and received a full unit plus an extra controller and motors. Am on business travel now but will evaluate when I return.
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williamG thank you. I am interested in getting setup. again thank you
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Canada
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williamG question you say 2 amps will run this system. but what is the start up current. is the start up current 3 amp or 4 amp. the working amperage is 2 amps. but like all electric motors. it would take more than 2 amps. to start the motor. what is that rating.if a person buys this unit that will need to be known. using a battery pack this unit uses 12 volt 2 amps. it will use up batteries very quickly.
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Hi Rocky The adapter we used is 12V 2 amps.But the real current when it is stacking at micron level is about 0.3-0.4amp.The rail have 2 speed setting. 1,Fast mode,set step length at millimeter,the rail will move fast to coarse adjust.The curent is about 0.8-0.9 amp at that time.2 Amp's adapter is mainly for start up current in mm mode in very very short time when it start.The maximum current we had read from multimeter is 0.9 amp. 2,Slow mode,set step length at microns,the current is about 0.3-0.4 amp when it's moving.And it will be about 0.3 amp when the rail is idle. We had tested the battery pack in our store which can load 3 18650 2700mha.It can work at least four hours. I hope this information can help.
Edited by williamG 09/19/2016 11:46 pm
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williamG thank you very much. yes I understand the 2 amps was the supply. the unit works in microamps that is excellent. yes I can now see the batteries would last a lot longer thank you so much.
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