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Valued Member
United States
282 Posts |
I haven't seen this discussed much here but would like to hear what the collective wisdom is regarding returns. In all of my years collecting, I have never returned a coin, raw or slabbed for any reason. I don't think it is totally ethical to return it just because I happen to not like it that day or change my mind. However, today will be my first time. I purchased an NGC graded AU 58 bust half on ebay from a very, very reputable seller whose name I will not mention but with the initials DL. When I received the coin I immediately noticed a bent portion and an obvious dent in the rim. I couldn't believe it so went to my resident expert - my 10 year old daughter - for her opinion. She said "Hey the coin is bent!" So that clinched it. What do you feel about returning coins and do you think I should complain to the seller or assume he never saw it? What was your last return and why? Edited by syeb 08/28/2016 9:09 pm
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Valued Member
 United States
282 Posts |
Let me add one note lest someone take my comment the wrong way. I have had very good experiences with this seller and they have a great return policy and customer service. This experience was with one particular coin only and I bring it up only as fodder for my discussion topic about returning coins.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4809 Posts |
If there is a return policy based on satisfaction (in hand vs. pictures) then there shouldn't be an issue. I've not returned anything yet nor had reason to.
Good luck with your issue.
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CCF Advertiser
United States
1533 Posts |
I sell on ebay all the time. If someone returns something, I only lose out on the postage one way. Its just a cost of doing business. No big deal.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1590 Posts |
IF it was a high volume seller, there is a good chance they never saw it. They probably have some person who does nothing but photograph coins and list them.
OTH, the grading service should never have let that one go out.
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Rest in Peace
United States
17900 Posts |
Photos of the coin in question would be great, especially if they show the bend you mention. The only time I've returned a coin was when I was taking the chance on a terribly photographed coin that had return privilege. I usually pass on a poorly photographed item, regardless of price, but once in a while I'm stupid enough to think the bad photos are all the seller could do.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
968 Posts |
Anything not obvious from the images provided or the description is fair game for a return. As a full time ebay seller, I much prefer people message me directly about a problem or return rather than going through the official ebay system. Any time you file any claim even if it is amicably resolved, it will hurt the seller rating slightly. So see if he will process the return that way (assuming he is trustworthy) before resorting to the official system. Just to be clear, this is an NGC slabbed coin with obvious bending and it didn't get a details grade? That is REALLY sloppy of them if that is true.
Edited by Saruma 08/29/2016 12:40 pm
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Valued Member
 United States
282 Posts |
The bending is something that is noticeable enough in hand to want to make me look away, but I can see NGC ignoring it as it just affects the rim. Here is a pic - the best I can do cropped from a larger pic as I have already sent the coin back. 
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Valued Member
United States
130 Posts |
That is quite surprising.
Regarding how to handle it, I think the best way would be to return it by politely indicating the issue. Assuming this is the DL I believe you are most likely referring to, I can't imagine them having an issue accepting the return.
Now if they just throw it back up again with no mention of the bend, I think you may have a reason to have a negative opinion of them. That said, otherwise, I wouldn't immediately assume they recognized the bend and purposefully excluded that information. JMO.
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Valued Member
 United States
282 Posts |
Oh there is no problem at all with a return with DL - they don't even require a preapproval. I just somehow unethical returning a coin.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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I very rarely send a coin back But in the case of a cleaned coin that has been "Creatively" imaged or if a seller has done a switcheroo Then I have NO hesitation at all returning the coin/coins.
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Valued Member
United States
314 Posts |
I would put a big gold star beside Andrew99's post. I guess as an online buyer I am good because I always pay instantly, but I guess I am bad because I have no hesitation to send a coin back if I don't like it. The coin in hand is simply a different thing from the photographs, even when the photographs are excellent (thanks, dealers who provide great pix). I feel that my obligation to be an "ethical returner," if that's a term, includes promptness and scrupulous caretaking of the coin while I have it. But as Andrew99 says, returns are part of doing business, and if a vendor is courteous and prompt about handling returns, they will have me as a repeat customer. If they perform the digital equivalent of rolling their eyes, I will never patronize them again. At a coin store, I can see the actual item. As Andrew99 wisely acknowledges, buying and returning is the online equivalent of holding the coin in your hand at the store and then handing it back unbought. My last comment on this is that even the best photographs can be deceptive, even if the deception is completely unintentional. As we all know, to use the example of the coin I have posted in the new acquisitions thread, carbon spots can disappear in a straight-on photograph, and then just explode when you look at a different angle.
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Valued Member
 United States
282 Posts |
Well my return went smoothly, no preauthorization necessary and instant refund with no questions asked. So I would certainly recommend the seller again and in fact did make another purchase from them yesterday.
One bad point though is that they did relist the coin with no mention of any defect even though I noted it on the return. However due to their high volume they may not even read the notes they get with the returns.
But based on their quick and easy return policy I would have no hesitation about purchasing from them again. And like I just mentioned I actually did.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I recently purchased a 1878 MS 65+ PL Morgan PCGS and the coin had a planchet flaw with pitting on the cheek that did not slow up in the photo and no comment from seller about flaw. I requested a refund and the seller apologized and paid for return shipping. When the seller relisted the coin, the planchet flaw was noted in comments.
When I buy a coin online from photo, I feel that I am entitled to see the coin in hand and returns are part of the online business practice. I have a hard rule that I only buy from online sellers who offer returns.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I've never returned a slabbed coin. If the picture isn't good enough, I don't buy. Taking good pictures is part of doing business. I can't argue the grade, the TPG clearly states their opinion on the label. I did have one slabbed coin returned from a purchaser, and he asked about my policy prior to bidding, so there were no hurt feelings. Above MS63, some people prefer to "see in hand."
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CCF Advertiser
United States
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syeb and Centsei, you are the kind of customers sellers will bend over backwards to retain. The very fact that you even consider that you may have an ethical quandry puts you head and shoulders over most of the public that sellers deal with. You would not believe the sort of nonsense I've had to put up with dealing with the public. Some people want to use you as an approval service returning all coins they cannot sell at a local show. One dealer I know had an attempted return after the customer cracked the coin out of the NGC holder it was in and then complained that the coin was bent. Do you really think NGC would slab a bent coin? I had someone complain that they were on vacation for a month in Europe and couldn't return my "deceptively photographed" Proof Franklin half for $22. They threatened negative feedback if I didn't take it back after a month. I had someone else claim "significantly not as described" to force me to pay for the return postage on their $25 coin that they decided they just didn't like. All we ask is that people try to behave in an honorable way and what happens, happens.
Edited by Andrew99 09/07/2016 12:59 pm
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