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Pennies Anyone? This Is Quite A Lot.

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Bergevin Coin Hoard. Auction is about to close, no bids, not really a surprise. Interesting story.

My first thought is the Cdn market is already flooded with more pennies than collectors.
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 Posted 08/28/2016  11:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgCoinAu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That certainly puts my small hoard to shame... but I think his numbers are just slightly out of touch with reality as well...
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 Posted 08/28/2016  11:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add lucv13 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wow, that was a great story and quite the collection. I really need to go through my rolls one of these days...
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 Posted 08/29/2016  02:41 am  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bergevin was a known penny hoarder in Victoria Area for years. All of the dealers on Fort Street , myself included filled him in on every 1937 circ penny and 1948 nickel we could supply him with. Quite a nice guy , rather eccentric and colourful.
Sort of a poormans " REDFIELD" hoarder.
As I recall he started in the late 1950s early 1960s and was absolutely fixated on 1937 pennies especially.
We would sell him 37s for a quarter a piece if they were Fine VF and charge a Buck each for 1948 nickels.
Good luck to the new hoarder who now owns them. He has enough gear there to supply the Canadian Penny market for two decades plus , maybe half a century.
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 Posted 08/29/2016  02:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Apparently he doesn't post to the UK so I'm out .... :)
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The total mintage of the 1948 1c was 25,767,779.

Listed the Bergevin Hoard is 5,850 rolls, that's 292,500 of them - over 1% of the original mintage but certainly a much higher percentage of what remains today.

"A penny for your thoughts!" - so many it's mind boggling!
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 Posted 08/29/2016  11:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tripoli to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"it sounded like a good idea at the time"
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maybe it's just me? but other than shear volume there isn't anything that spectacular about this collection.

I'm not a penny guy, but for a "key date hoard" shouldn't there be 1955 cents and 1947 nickels.
those 2 money years are missing - either not hoarded originally, or removed before offered in this sale.

I think with transporting, sorting and selling you would be hard pressed to make minimum wage, especially without the shot at some really high condition 1955 NSF & 1947 dot nickels?

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Not interested.

Grossly overpriced.

Good luck in finding a buyer!
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Listings with more story than substance always turn me off. Not to mention the overuse of the term "key date".

Over 800,000 small cents alone. That's an impossible "collection" to sell intact. He'd have been much, much better off buying almost anything else, in my humble opinion.

It sounds like he enjoyed hoarding them, so it's not a total loss.
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 Posted 08/29/2016  1:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
On second thought, this almost belongs in the recent "shouldn't this be scrap?" thread. Melt value of about $16k.
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Now that TD has abandon their coinstar machines, it would cost about 10% fees just to deposit
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 Posted 08/29/2016  1:29 pm  Show Profile   Check Pacificoin's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add Pacificoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I will guarantee there is nothing rare or off beat in those pennies as far as either Condition or possible errors. While Real was willing to pay a quarter for a 1937 penny and a Dollar for a 1948 nickel that was about it.
The late Jim Morgan of Van Isle Coin in Victoria once had a small part of the Eatons Department Store of BU rolls that included most dates from 1937 to 1956 . He offered original rolls for sale to Bergevin. Sold him nary a one.
I was fortunate enough to acquire a nice little hoard of 1948 rolls one time out of a US coin show. BU cents and Nickels about five rolls of nickels and a dozen or so Cent rolls. Not a one went to this hoard.
In the industry this is known as a " Poormans Hoard ". Definition anything acquired for face or a very very tiny premium.
Pokermandude has it nailed !
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Hoards like this, are for Zoell variety hunters... they can be fun to sift through, if that is what you want to do with your time. If they are original, they can be a fun thing to do in this hobby (thrill of the hunt).

After the local dealers told this gentleman to "take his coins to the bank", I bought his large lot (200+ lbs) of pre-1960 pennies from a hoarder here in Ottawa. I paid 1.5 times face and went through the entire lot. There was a 1923, several 1926 and 1930 pennies, and a 1955 NSF in that hoard, but I mostly made my money by putting the George V and George VI coins (random mix of dates) into rolls, and selling them to local flea market dealers here in Ottawa $1 a roll for George VI and $5 a roll for George V (after I had gone through them for Zoell varieties and doubled dates). The photo of that hoard is below, and not a single coin was newer than 1960.

Pennies-Anyone?--This-Is-Quite-A-Lot.

I also bought a similar 250 lbs lot of 5c coins from the same hoarder, paying 1.5 times face. All the low grade nickel coins were sold to Hub City Coins (as bullion, 10% over face) I found a 1925 and several 1932 far 2 coins, and I also found a 1954 NSF. Again, local flea market dealers bought the rolls of tombacs and George V nickels ($10 per roll).

In the end - I learned about Zoell varieties, stocked my binders with decent pre-1950 AU and MS-60 to -63 coins, and learned a bit more about grading EF and AU coins. If you do not count my time, I made my money back several times over. But - at 1.5 times face I really had nothing to lose.
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The same seller is selling "1954 Canada Copper Cent - circulated TOP KEY DATE". When did 1954 become a TOP KEY DATE?!?!?!?
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I had a similar situation to SPP-Ottawa's story in the beginning of the year although I found much less rare stuff. I wish I could find buyers for $10 cash a roll of george V nickels, selling the common rolls on ebay is annoying with the weight and size. From my experience he prices listed on this ebay auction are ridiculously high. Searching through all of the coins has helped my grading skills as well as variety recognition as well so I definitely feel it was worth it, although time consuming.
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