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I'm going to wait until the book comes out before I get excited about this. Something about the wording has me kind of skeptical, though of course I hope it is the real deal. If it is real and is in government hands, why wouldn't it be on display at the National Numismatic Collection at the Smithsonian? I know they have way more than they can display at one time, but it just seems like the kind of coin they would want to show off.
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I just keep thinking, how has this remained unknown all these years, even if only documentation exists? It's very exciting to hear that many prominent people have actually seen this piece. Can't wait for the full story, no matter what that entails.
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it appears to be a marketing hype to sell copies of Bowers new silver dollar book QDB is probably the most published numismatic author in the world, do you really think he needs hype to sell a book  |
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I agree that Bowers may not need or want hype to sell a book, but his publisher may disagree and want to sell more copies. It is interesting that his publisher Dennis Tucker at Whitman has released more details about the previously unknown 1964 Morgan dollar that will be featured in the upcoming edition of A Guide Book of Morgan dollars when no actual coin exists, but there is a photo of a 1964 Morgan on the cover of the book on what appears to be a coin. |
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The photo on the cover is probably of the master hub that was found. It would be raised and facing the proper way just as the finished coin would be.
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Hello friends, Dennis Tucker here. This is my first time posting on this particular forum, and I wanted to chime in on the 1964 Morgan discovery. What we discovered at the Philadelphia Mint were galvanos (or bronzed plaster models), hubs, and master dies for a 1964 Morgan dollar. We DID not find working dies, or actual trial-strike coins. The image on the front of Dave Bowers's new book is of a master die (which has regular "coin" orientation, not mirrored like a working die is), photographed straight-on from above. That's why it has the appearance of being a coin. This isn't a manipulated image, an artist's rendition, a counterfeit, or a fantasy piece. It's a real chunk of Mint hardware that, under normal circumstances, would have been used to create working dies for coinage. This was a very exciting discovery --- Roger W. Burdette has described in his book on Peace dollars how the Morgan design was briefly considered for coinage in the early 1960s, but of course it was the Peace design that was eventually pressed into service. An amazing real-world example of just how vibrant numismatics is --- there are discoveries out there still waiting to be made! -- Dennis |
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If it was a Master DIE then it would be incuse, and it is a trick of the lighting that makes it look raised. Working hubs made from it would be raised and reversed and coins struck from dies created from those working hubs would also be incuse and oriented correctly. I really find it hard to believe the Mint would consider striking incuse Morgan dollars. If it truly is a raised properly oriented Master die then the finished coins would be incuse, and mirror imaged with reversed lettering. I still think it is a picture of a Master Hub. The pictures of the Morgan Galvano in the first article show it raised and properly oriented. There is no way to make a raised properly oriented Master die from that. |
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@dennis, thanks for providing some clarity on the image and hope to see on you CCF more!
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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09/01/2016 05:54 am
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 welcome to CCF Dennis. |
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Condor, the Master Dies create the working dies. It is the working dies that incuse.
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I have a Morgan just a hair less rare than a 1964 Morgan, if one even exits. Its a 1885 aluminum Morgan dollar, population of four. That's right 4! Qutaro, vier, quatre, 4! Edited by Heynow
09/01/2016 4:41 pm
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You have a Judd-1749!? Yeah, were gonna need pics 3 pics. Obverse, reverse & edge  |
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Cascade, he did post a picture of the coin on a newspaper dated today in another thread. It looks like he is interested in, for lack of a better term, coins made of the "wrong" metal. There are of course people with enough money to buy super rare coins. I'd expect people like that to be fairly knowledgeable about numismatics and some might like to socialize with other avid numismatists even if most of us couldn't afford those sorts of coins. No reason one of them couldn't visit a forum like this!
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