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Valued Member
United States
215 Posts |
I sent two coins that were my grandfathers out for grading for my parents just to see how high they would grade. my grandpop had two rolls of 1964 quarters and 2 rolls of 1961d pennys which are known to be one of the worse coins struck . anyways I picked through 80 quarters and 100 pennys with a loupe in hand and sent out the best 2 . the penny was immaculate and thought could pull a 67. anyways I get both coins back and they are genuine (machine damaged). are 99 percent of coins graded machine damage or is that fishy or just an crazy coincidence? keep in mind I used my voucher for 4 free gradings which also received damage labels. the one I knew would receive a damaged label but when all I wanted was a genuine details grade I received a authenticity unverifiable grade which could easily be obtained with today's technology and chemical make ups .   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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That's a bummer, they do look nice from here, but without closer images we can't tell what's going on. Can you try zooming in more or using the loupe in combination with the phone/camera to take pictures? Is there damage on the edges?
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Valued Member
 United States
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I really don't think I could take better pictures with my iPhone, but none on the penny that I've noted, maybe tiny tiny abrasion on rim of the on the quarter not something I would call damage, but is machine damage really that common in grading? esp if it's so minuet. why not call it a lesser grade? maybe this is why I feel at home with early classic coins lol.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I would have to say, from my own experience, that getting a machine damage "grade" is pretty rare. That you received two on different dates and denominations is remarkable. As you have so remarked. I can't see anything ugly from the photos you have provided, but it seems that most of the machine damage pronouncements seem to come on coins with that damage on the rim or the edge. Spotting the best of the best sometimes takes a lot of time and even more experience. Experience is usually costly, unless you take a few of the ANA classes which are well worth their costs. |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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It's not graded it's damaged with details. Do you have images prior to submitting? PCGS says your coins had been damaged by a coin rolling machine (like a bank has) before submitting.
Maybe images through your loupe will help determine what's going on.
Edited by BH1964
09/07/2016 4:14 pm
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Valued Member
United States
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I can't follow? like the machine they use didn't like them?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Maybe wheel marks? Do you see a patch of hailines anywhere? Look at them under direct light at various angles
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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The machine damage can happen from a coin counting machine or a machine that rolls coins. The famous Redfield hoard had some coins run through a coin counter by the appraisal company that created a cut on the rim into the field of the coin and others had machine scuffs.
Unusual that the penny and quarter were both noted as machine damage unless they were rolled or counted by machine at the same time. Did the coins appear to be machined rolled by the mint?
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Valued Member
United States
215 Posts |
just looked with loupe in hand. edges of both sets of quarters and pennys look fresh and crisp like they were newly minted
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Valued Member
United States
215 Posts |
In fact looks a heck of a lot nicer than a 2016 penny I just looked at under a loupe
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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What a story. Better pics would really help.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
968 Posts |
Take the best picture you can with your phone and upload it to a hosting site like Photobucket. Then put the image link in your message and the image should show up full size without the size restriction of uploading it directly to this site. The important thing is that even if we blow up these pictures the resolution is too low. But doing it like I said should give us more detail to work with.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I would recommend that you call PCGS and try to get an explanation on why both coin were noted as machine damage.
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Valued Member
United States
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here's the other coin I submitted. I'm not familiar with detecting" smoothed" so do you agree with this one?  |
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Pillar of the Community
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Smoothed a/k/a tooled means that somebody took an instrument and well smoothed a bit of the coin that was damaged.
For example, suppose there was a ding with the metal raised around it. If you took an instrument and moved the metal back and them smoothed around it, that would be, well, smoothed.
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I myself have had nothing but nightmares with both PCGS and NGC. Multiple errors on holders every time I submit. I submitted a redfield to NGC, they did not have a label so they could not grade it. Then I sent the same coin to PCGS and they said they do not grade redfield's that would grade under 62. Meanwhile my coin dealer friends buddy get his 2 redfields back from them graded under 62. I sent a Red 1859 Indian Head cent to NGC once to get graded and got the same date GOLD one back! I was so mad I broke it out and still had photos of the original coin and the graded one but they did not care. Oh I forgot to add, I did have to still pay for submissions for these! Edited by pauliswilling
09/08/2016 01:04 am
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