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I have a series 1935F and a 1957 SC that is signed by Robert B. Anderson. AFAIK his reign as secretary was 1957-1961. Why did he sign both notes. Can one of the professionals answer this?  Edited by cashhound
09/28/2016 2:56 pm
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1935 F wasn't made in 1935. The last time the design was modified was 1935 at that point. They probably printed very few 1935s in that year. 1935A was in the late 40s, 1935B, C etx in the 50s. etc.
I believe Series 1935 F is the last one before Series 1957 so it makes sense that they could have been printing them as late as 1957.
The famous Hawaii WWII Silver Certificates were printed during the war from 1942-1945 but were Series 1935A.
Even today, we are still printing brand new 2013 Federal Reserve Notes in 2016.
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Dead-on. Once you see a letter suffix (A, B, C etc.) following a date on small size currency you can be sure it was not printed in that particular year!
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Agreed...the vast majority of all U.S paper currency wasn't printed in the series year.
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The answer is in both Serials & their plate positions..
The top note is from a 20K run on 18 subject sheets and 47833763 is from Run 133 (132.8716 to be exact), minus 132 = .8716 x 18 = plate position 16 (15.688) = plate position P
The bottom note is also a 20K run on 32 subject sheets (COPE) and 64757520 is from Run 102 (101.1836 exact), minus 101 = .1836 x 32 = plate position 6 (5.8752) = F1
I must have viewed this before xxJOExx
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09/29/2016 09:21 am
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I failed to mention the reason is the BEP changed from 18 subject to 32 subject serial numbering, thus the different series dates..
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I believe Series 1935 F is the last one before Series 1957... There are 1935G and 1935H series as well. Another way to look at this, perhaps: o Priest and Anderson were in office when the 1935F and 1957 notes were printed. o Smith and Dillon were in office when the 1935G and 1957A notes were printed. o Granahan and Dillon were in office when the 1935H and 1957B notes were printed. Beginning with the FRNs series 1963, it appears that the BEP printed one series at a time. My question is why were they printing using two different series at roughly the same time from July of 1957 to April of 1965? Did they simply need the extra notes that additional plates from the older series allowed them to print simultaneously? Or were they just being frugal? Or something else? On a separate topic, why are there 1935G notes with and without motto? Shouldn't a design change like that have triggered a new series? Perhaps that wasn't a significant enough of a change. |
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Thanx for confirming my thoughts guys. I just was unsure if the BEP would print that many series in 1 term of the signer. Thanx for the lesson guys.
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Still curious about this: Quote:
...why were they printing using two different series at roughly the same time from July of 1957 to April of 1965? Did they simply need the extra notes that additional plates from the older series allowed them to print simultaneously? Or were they just being frugal? Or something else? Broken-Coin answered the difference between the series (1935F and 1957) but I still don't know why both were printed at roughly the same time. |
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Broken-Coin answered the difference between the series (1935F and 1957) but I still don't know why both were printed at roughly the same time. The series 1935F Notes were printed on 18 subject sheets with a 20K Run = 360,000 Notes. At the same time the BEP was also printing New 32 subject sheets for the NEW COPE overprinting, and that 20K Run = 640,000 Notes. Series 2009 $1.00 FRN's was the Last series to be overprinted with COPE, LEPE was introduced on series 2009 also, and required those 32subject sheets to be printed on the newer SOI Press with a different Plate Position serial numbering format required for LEPE overprinting.. series 2013 is overprinted on LEPE.. Edited by Broken-Coin
09/29/2016 10:23 pm
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OK, but why didn't the BEP only print 1957 notes using the COPE press during that period?
Were they simply using the older presses to print the 1935F notes until those older presses were end of life (thus the subsequent '35G and '35H series)?
I'm not sure I follow you on the 2009/2013 thing.
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In the 50+ years in & out of Numismatics, I have always tried to self-educate myself on topics of interest..
My primary focus the last 18 years has been on Errors & Varieties (both USA & Global).. I have zero interest in the G&H series, and only gave an opinion on why the different series dates with the same signatures had been printed..
Anyone wanting to know the answers to why the BEP was printing both 18 and 32 subject sheets at the same time needs to do their own research..
I have spent many hours researching & charting Natick & Web overprint errors, and shared my results with my fellow members, and now look forward to your results on the series 1935G/H and 1957 Silver Certificates being issued in the same time frame..
As for the OP's question, I gave my opinion and now moving on.
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09/30/2016 12:30 pm
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They almost certainly had multiple presses and limited floor space. To bring on-line the new machine they would have had to take one or more of the old ones out of service, setup the new press, test it and then move on...
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They would also have to print the balance of 18 subject sheets they had in their inventory (that I assume was quite large) & build an inventory of 32 subject sheets as they transition to the series 1963 FRN's..
This may explain the series 1935G & H..
As I mentioned above, I haven't had a interest in this series, and assume the last 3 series 1935 Silver Certificates (F,G and H) also share the same signature Varieties on series 1957 notes..
If series 1957 and later notes were restricted to COPE overprinting only, and series 35F & 57 share signature combinations, can I assume series 35G & 57A share the SAME signature combinations also (same for 35H & 57B) !!
I have no idea as I don't collect them, but if I did, I would be collecting both Varieties..
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@BStrauss3, that's my assumption as well. If I ever get off my lazy butt and find proper proof of that theory, I'll post it one of its own.
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