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Please let me know the grade on this Half Dime:   On the obverse the variation in color occurred after I applied some residue-free acetone. Would this negatively affect the grade? |
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I applied acetone to determine the existence of a reflection or not. This photo shows the color of a red rubber coated wire cutter handle reflecting off of the obverse field. Does this shot affect the grade and/or classification of this coin or not?  |
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AU details, cleaned and not retoning very nicely at all, rim damage.
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I put the photo showing the red reflection to find out if this coin could possibly be a proof of some type.
I have four questions/comments about proofs vs. regular coins etc:
a. If any coin like mine reflects in this manner, why would it 'not' be a proof.
b. Could a regular (non proof) struck coin reflect similar to my photo of this 1/2/ dime reflecting red?
c) Did the rim dings cause the designation of 'details' which would prevent it from being slabbed with a grade?
d) And/or did the washing with acetone that caused the obverse to appear cleaned cause the 'details' designation?
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I forgot to mention that I also put this coin in the variety section for classic coins but failed to put a link here for any interested party to opine: https://goccf.com/t/270710I'd really like to be able to find an easier way to differentiate between large and small stars... |
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I put the photo showing the red reflection to find out if this coin could possibly be a proof of some type.
I have four questions/comments about proofs vs. regular coins etc:
a. If any coin like mine reflects in this manner, why would it 'not' be a proof.
b. Could a regular (non proof) struck coin reflect similar to my photo of this 1/2/ dime reflecting red?
c) Did the rim dings cause the designation of 'details' which would prevent it from being slabbed with a grade?
d) And/or did the washing with acetone that caused the obverse to appear cleaned cause the 'details' designation? It's not a proof. The surface is reflective like that due to the cleaning that the coin took. It would have been polished and is now fighting to retone but as previously stated by a member, it is not doing such a good job at that. A - Polished B - only if it was polished in a similar manner C - The cleaning will kill this coin getting a righteous grade. It will most certainly get designated "Details Cleaned" D - No. The coin was damaged already. Regarding acetone - there are very specific steps to take to truly get any advantage using this solution. Most folks not familiar just soak the coin which is not really what one would want to do if you do not understand timelines and additional processes associated with. You should research at depth and not just soak the coin. |
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Agree AU details (cleaning and rim issues).
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...only if it was polished in a similar manner I took a Q-tip dipped in acetone and only pushed hard enough not to bend/break the handle to clean off the black stuff revealing the reflective surface. Polishing it forcefully would have been difficult to accomplish in this manner. Also, the only reason I'm dwelling on this coin a little more than normal is because of its potentially lofty retail prices at higher grades. Firstly, it would be great to have a consensus agreement from the CCF community on the existence or not of the small stars(which I hope it is) version but I have not yet received back any replies: https://goccf.com/t/270710 Verifying from CoinFacts the existence of the 'no drapery' styles for both the large and small stars varieties the Numismedia retail FMV price guide figures for the 'small' stars (no drapery) vs the 'large' stars (no drapery) varieties of this coin are as follows: http://numismedia.com/fmv/prices/hl...icesgd.shtmlsmall stars: AU50-$ 210 large stars: AU50-$ 83 small stars: AU53-$ 306 large stars: AU53-$ 162 small stars: AU55-$ 336 large stars: AU55-$ 174 small stars: AU58-$ 444 large stars: AU58-$ 210 Summing it up, in light of the details designation I'd appreciate anyone further differentiating the still missing variety type as well as the particular AU price by choosing either 50, 53, 55, or 58 for my coin that I was fortunate enough to grab for $ 33 at a local auction. thx, mdp |
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First I'd say your coin has an excellent obverse strike for a Half Dime. The level of struck-up detail far exceeds most Half Dimes and that fact alone could lead one to believe this is an impaired proof. The issue is there were hardly any proofs (5) struck and only 4 are known to exist; So it is highly unlikely but certainly worth considering. Assuming it is an AU+ details business strike with rim and cleaning damage (quit cleaning the darn thing!) the value would be around $100 retail give or take $50 for a given day/buyer. P.S. It's a small stars. Edited by BH1964
10/02/2016 9:02 pm
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...there were hardly any proofs (5) struck and only 4 are known to exist. I know that having a proof of this coin is highly unlikely but would like to get several opinions if it's worth spending the $ to have PCGS tell me that I just got lucky. Does it stand more than a 50% chance to at least have a 10% chance in the end? Or should I simply grade something that I know for sure is real? PCGS does not even list ANY proof pricing for any Half Dime: only Coinhelp does: http://coinhelp.net/seated-half-dim...lue-1837-73/I hope this URL is not a banned one. So if it is, I apologize in advance. |
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It is NOT a proof. It is a polished business strike. If you don't want to hear opinions from others why are you asking? A proof will have different characteristics, such as more luster. Yours is about AU details, cleaned. If you're still not convinced, send it to a TPG. Since yours is a details grade you can't give it a numerical grade. It will retail between $50 and $80. Edited by SilverDollar2017
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