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Possible Cud, But Not Sure...1948-D LWC

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What do you guys think this is? Cud? PMD? JC feels it's the rim possibly folded over, but the rim looks somewhat intact to me. Opinions? Thanks in advance.

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What does the opposite side look like?
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Coop, normal rim, no damage.
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If it is normal on the reverse it is probably a piece of debris that was struck onto the coin. I was hoping for a Cud, but that would leave the reverse devices weakened a bit. Also the height on the rim is not as much as a Cud would have. Thanks for looking and letting me know.
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Assuming it is a Cud, it seems small enough that it may not noticeably weaken the reverse devices.
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Why does a Cud weaken the opposite side? Is it due to a chunk of the die being gone, thus the pressure is lighter in this area during strike?
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Why does a Cud weaken the opposite side? Is it due to a chunk of the die being gone, thus the pressure is lighter in this area during strike?

Exactly.
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Andy, you got it correct the first time. Good job.
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Nothing to give resistance from that die the had the Cud, give a weak impression on the opposite side.
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Why does a Cud weaken the opposite side? Is it due to a chunk of the die being gone, thus the pressure is lighter in this area during strike?


A different way of saying the same thing I guess. Just I don't think of it as less pressure applied, but more of an issue in the way the material is displaced.

Displacement of material. If metal flows into an unexpected void such as an enlarged border or no ceiling, it is unable to push material back (back flow) sufficiently in the opposite direction. Thanks, Doug.
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Appreciate all the feedback on this cent. Here are full pics of the coin's obverse and reverse. So, what's the consensus? Cud or not? If not, what could it be? I want to throw it in a 2x2 and keep....it's interesting. Thanks in advance.

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I see a bit of weakness on the rim area. But the mark between the 'T' and 'R' on TRUST makes me think it is a struck through debris. Can you see under the area in question? If it is not attacked under the side where the 'E' on WE is, I mean clear down to the field, I would think it is a struck through error. A Cud would rise higher than the rim and the edge, where the missing part on the die would be. If it can be lifted, then I would say debris. But it is solidly fixed to the coin, then a small Die Cud. (it looks like it folds over the rim and edge)
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What about a die chip?
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If it were a die chip, then that would be considered a Cud as it is on the edge of the die. But here is a small Cud on the edge of the die and it raises higher than the rim.
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On this coin we see the opposite happening. But looking at the area in question on the OP coin, it looks like a contact mark on that area. (I just noticed this a minute ago) It might have been damaged during circulation or a counting machine may have flattened it? I just wish I have a view closer to see what the bottom edge looks of the area in question looks like on this one. If it were a Cud, it would be firmly attached to the coin. But the images don't show me that yet. The new images are helpful.
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Looks like a piece of plating debris, separation or something. Could have been a die chip that finally turned loose from rot. I was able to lift it up easily with a rose thorn. It's "hinged" on the rim, but is about to break off. IMHO, not a keeper. See pics.

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That is what I though it was. Keep in mint this is a copper planchet, not a zinc planchet. So it would not be from rot, it would be that it peeled away from the coin.
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