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Rest in Peace
United States
18456 Posts |
It seems that the percentage of members who strictly sell or at least buy and sell out weighs the true coin collector who doesn't sell any of their coins . Are we a dying breed , many of us who wish to collect , find ,and buy their coins, have no interest in selling what we have devoted so many years on. Me for one, 54 years ! I realize I will get mixed feedback on this and will agree only on selling because of an emergency in the family or yourself . Would like to hear every ones views on this . Thanks, T
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Pillar of the Community
United States
6370 Posts |
In order to be able to buy coins to collect, I have to buy and flip coins that I don't really want. Does that not make me a true collector?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
513 Posts |
what about selling duplicates or those that have been upgraded? Or what's left from all of those unsearched wheat rolls? 
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Valued Member
Germany
303 Posts |
I sometimes buy lots that contain only a couple of coins that fit in my collection and so I sell the rest. So by your definition I do not seem to be a true collector either.
But if for instance someone buys lots and keeps all the coins even though they do not all fit into his or her collection I'd consider this person rather a hoarder than true collector.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
7096 Posts |
People collect in many different ways and for different reasons. As long as they collect who really cares if they sell coins or not. Somebody has to sell coins otherwise None of us would have a collection 
Edited by trout1105 10/13/2016 11:39 am
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1911 Posts |
A true collector in my opinion is one that collects coins. Doesn't matter what coins or how many of them there are. This also would mean the means of obtaining the coins doesn't matter either (I sell lots of junk silver every week in order to keep some silver and save up profits in order to buy coins that fit in my collection). I see it as the buying/selling is just a "job" where we can gain funds in order to truly collect. And also with any collection, sometimes collecting priorities change and so some coins that we have we may not need anymore. We don't need to keep everything we have even though that isn't our focus anymore but if we do sell off some that doesn't mean we aren't true collectors. No salt at all, just my opinions :)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
6130 Posts |
I sometimes buy entire lots because I can get them for the price I would otherwise pay for a single coin. I don't want or need 35 pounds of pre-Euro pocket change, so why not sell it to get some fodder for my next purchase?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1450 Posts |
I trade duplicates and I would sell some coins I have to obtain other more desirable coins I really want. I don't do that much trading because I usually lose in trades considering the buying and selling prices of coins. I consider myself a collector, but one day either my widow or my brother may want to sell my coins. So be it. The fun for me is obtaining the coins by hook or by crook. I don't see them as an investment because I am too old and can't wait 40 years for them to appreciate. I just collect for the beauty and the challenge. I just lost a 1903-O Morgan because the seller messed up the transaction. This is a coin I wanted but only for a certain price. Since investors got into the rare coin market it has distorted the hobby. I think also the vast mintage of modern coins has hurt as well. When the mint produces a billion pennies they will never be scarce in a 1000 years. We have a defaced and degraded currency that is not worth what it takes to mint it. Even at the turn of the century and early 20th century they were minting less than a million of many coins. I think only commemorative coins get those numbers now. The mint to my way of thinking has destroyed the hobby for new and low budget collectors of modern coins.
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Rest in Peace
United States
17900 Posts |
Although I take flak for it, my own definitions are:
Hoarder - Makes no difference what they buy or how many of a kind they have. They have no inventory, no want list, and no real desire to do anything other than buy. Once they receive their stuff they put it in any handy corner without rhyme nor reason.
Accumulator - Someone who collects more particularly, but still does not have a want list or inventory and bases a large percentage of their buying on what they believe to be "good buys". Often times they will buy thinking they don't have something, although they later discover they do and are not all that concerned about such duplication. Is not interested in accomplishing any goals.
Collector - Has an inventory and/or want list and is most interested in accomplishing goals. Whether this be completing a set, a type set, one from each country, one silver from each year, one token from each town, or any other myriad of possibilities the collector is concerned with accomplishing some goal. They are more interested in finding what they want than in making a profit, although they are often times the ones who can spot scarce items for great prices as they have a strong knowledge developed through experience.
Numismatist - One who studies coins as it involves history, time lines, artists, engravers, mint history, type vs variety, and often takes that a step further to publish written information about their discoveries. Most spend at least as much time researching what they have as they do in trying to find more items.
There are a million holes in these descriptions that any particular person might find, depending on WHAT THEY BELIEVE themselves to be. Most commonly, someone will say they have bought and sold coins for 30 years - so they aren't numismatists? I do not mean to imply one is better than another. The pleasure, joy, happiness, peace, and feeling of control in any of the above is not relegated to a progression with one being better than another.
Although, there have been NUMEROUS well documented psychological and sociological studies that show that collectors are almost always more creative than those who do not collect anything and never have. There is a correlation.
When you say collectors who only buy and never sell are being reduced in percentage I would be interested in knowing if that estimation is based on any facts or your own belief. Again, your own belief is perfectly reasonable, but I do enjoy (and use) actual factual information.
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Moderator
 United States
54282 Posts |
Quote: It seems that the percentage of members... Is it possible that your method of collecting data to support your statement is flawed? That is, maybe you are looking at people that frequent this board, for example. They may not represent the whole population of coin collectors. When you say "it seems" what are you basing that upon?
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Valued Member
South Africa
331 Posts |
Well the coins I buy I keep, I don't sell or re sell again, yes they are ultra overpriced but I don't care I really want them so I buy them. Every coin in my VERY small collection has it's place and reason if I was to sell any of them I will lose sooo much money which is good cause I don't wanna sell I buy and keep
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Pillar of the Community
United States
4469 Posts |
Moxking, I really like your definitions, but you may have missed one as the coin investor does not fall into any of your definitions, and the investor has made a major impact on the pricing of coins.
Edited by Slider23 10/13/2016 1:42 pm
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Rest in Peace
United States
17900 Posts |
I agree with you completely, Slider. But even putting Investor on the same map as a collector has proven to be a very sore spot in posts past, and I've simply eliminated including Investors in my overall definition to avoid those animosities.
You are absolutely correct in that the investor is a key player, particularly on common gold and top-pop coins.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
2850 Posts |
I buy and sell to supplement my buying for stuff I will keep. I make two different types of purchases:
1) Buy with the full intention to sell to make money.
2) Use money made on #1 to buy a piece that will never be sold.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
2624 Posts |
We all have different ways of collecting... where coins are concerned I am a "true collector" in that in about 30 years I have only sold 10 coins (gold bullion that I cashed in when times were hard) I still have virtually every coin I ever collected except for doubles which I traded.
In other fields of collecting though I have bought and sold in order to upgrade what I own. I am still a true collector, and have probably benefited from the experience of owning far more pieces that I could afford outright if I never flipped anything.
To me collecting isn't about whether you sell or not... some people never sell and I would class them as hoarders rather than collectors. The main trait of a collector to me is that they catalogue and organise their collection thoughtfully.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1211 Posts |
T-Bop: This topic has come up before and was controversial at that time as well. I agree with you completely! Way too many flippers, wannabe dealers, and "stackers" that inject themselves into the hobby. They may technically collect coins but it really isn't coin collecting. IMO, you must have a "core collection", strive to educate yourself on a particular series/what you collect, and "grow" numismatically in order to qualify.
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