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1858 Flying Eagle DDO ?

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 Posted 10/17/2016  11:41 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Kevin N Kindra to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers

So after looking this one over with a loupe I've noticed some doubling in a few of the letters !
Some are a lot easier to see then other but I tried to get a few decent photos !!

DDO or not ?

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 Posted 10/18/2016  12:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Not sure what that is, but the planchet is looks like something is going on in that area? In the image it goes back all the way to the 'D' in UNITED.
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Yeah but it was mainly the strong doubling of the T and S , that made me curious ?
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 Posted 10/18/2016  07:48 am  Show Profile   Check 52Raymo's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 52Raymo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Full shots of the obverse and reverse would be helpful.
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 Posted 10/18/2016  09:25 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beaglebailey to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It could be a Snow variety, but I agree with need full pics of both sides. We can't even tell for sure if it is a small letter or large letter variety from your pics.
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 Posted 10/18/2016  1:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TypeCoin971793 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like Machine Doubling to me.
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 Posted 10/18/2016  4:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, further pics please.



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I looked but couldn't find a match to any Snow varieties for 1858 large letters.
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 Posted 10/18/2016  11:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dustin6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Possibly longacre doubling
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 Posted 10/19/2016  01:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The doubled dies back then were a bit different:
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But they were raised on the coin. So I'm still undecided on this one so far.
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 Posted 10/19/2016  02:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add GigiRitch to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm no pro, and new to coin collecting. I haven't collected since I was 11... Now 31. But sure as heck looks double stamped to me!
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 Posted 10/19/2016  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Wells lets get the lingo up to speed.
Business coins are only struck once. Proof coins are struck two or more times depending on the denomination/size of the coin.
Coins are struck, stamps are stamped.
A doubled die has the doubling on the die and is not created during the striking process.
Machine damage (AKA knows a Machine Doubling) is created by the machine and is from a normal die. This occurs after the strike, damaging the devices. This always reduces the size of the devices and makes them flat. When something is flat it shows the same color. The contour of the device, the light to dark will not be present on a MD coin. Your coin shows the flat look on the devices in question. I've not called it that because some of the devices don't seem reduced. I just need to see if the devices on your coin are normal or reduced. On the 'A' on STATES, that device is reduced like we would see on machine damage. but the 'ST' I need to determine what the normal devices look like there are three different styles on the 1857-58 cents. Only two different styles for the 1858, the small and large letter. So I need to compare with the other devices first what your coin is.
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On your coin the AM is connected, so it is a large letter 1858 Cent.
Looking at the area in question (ID STATES) the size of the ST would normally be this:
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So on the 'ST' on STATES, it is normally a bit taller. So it looks like after the strike those devices were damaged in the machine. So it is not a doubled die, but MD during the strike. Normally during a given year today, there is only one pattern for the devices and when they are reduced we can see it right off. I needed to see what was normal for that year and it look a bit of studying to get to the answer. I felt it might be MD because of the 'A' on STATES, but I needed to see the full size of the devices to know it it was reduced. Now we know it is a MD large letter 1858 cent. Not hub doubled. Sorry
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Thank you guys !
Coop thank you for putting in the work to answer my question !!
Much appreciated :)
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It was new to me as well. Got new stuff to post and learned about the 1857 with the 1856 reverse. Didn't know any of that before. I knew about the 1858 large and small letters, but just another piece of the jig saw puzzle was added. Thanks for the question.
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Quote:
Coins are struck, stamps are stamped.

Coins are struck, stamps are printed. (Intaglio printed, often with multiple passes through the press for each different color being printed.)
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