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New Member
United States
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So after looking this one over with a loupe I've noticed some doubling in a few of the letters ! Some are a lot easier to see then other but I tried to get a few decent photos !! DDO or not ?   
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Not sure what that is, but the planchet is looks like something is going on in that area? In the image it goes back all the way to the 'D' in UNITED.
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New Member
 United States
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Yeah but it was mainly the strong doubling of the T and S , that made me curious ?
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Pillar of the Community
United States
8516 Posts |
Full shots of the obverse and reverse would be helpful.
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Pillar of the Community
United States
716 Posts |
It could be a Snow variety, but I agree with need full pics of both sides. We can't even tell for sure if it is a small letter or large letter variety from your pics.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Yes, further pics please.  to the CCF!
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New Member
 United States
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Pillar of the Community
United States
8516 Posts |
I looked but couldn't find a match to any Snow varieties for 1858 large letters.
Oregon coin geek.....*** GO BEAVS ! ! ! ***
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Pillar of the Community
United States
3516 Posts |
Possibly longacre doubling
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
62064 Posts |
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New Member
United States
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I'm no pro, and new to coin collecting. I haven't collected since I was 11... Now 31. But sure as heck looks double stamped to me!
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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 Wells lets get the lingo up to speed. Business coins are only struck once. Proof coins are struck two or more times depending on the denomination/size of the coin. Coins are struck, stamps are stamped. A doubled die has the doubling on the die and is not created during the striking process. Machine damage (AKA knows a Machine Doubling) is created by the machine and is from a normal die. This occurs after the strike, damaging the devices. This always reduces the size of the devices and makes them flat. When something is flat it shows the same color. The contour of the device, the light to dark will not be present on a MD coin. Your coin shows the flat look on the devices in question. I've not called it that because some of the devices don't seem reduced. I just need to see if the devices on your coin are normal or reduced. On the 'A' on STATES, that device is reduced like we would see on machine damage. but the 'ST' I need to determine what the normal devices look like there are three different styles on the 1857-58 cents. Only two different styles for the 1858, the small and large letter. So I need to compare with the other devices first what your coin is.  On your coin the AM is connected, so it is a large letter 1858 Cent. Looking at the area in question (ID STATES) the size of the ST would normally be this:  So on the 'ST' on STATES, it is normally a bit taller. So it looks like after the strike those devices were damaged in the machine. So it is not a doubled die, but MD during the strike. Normally during a given year today, there is only one pattern for the devices and when they are reduced we can see it right off. I needed to see what was normal for that year and it look a bit of studying to get to the answer. I felt it might be MD because of the 'A' on STATES, but I needed to see the full size of the devices to know it it was reduced. Now we know it is a MD large letter 1858 cent. Not hub doubled. Sorry
Edited by coop 10/19/2016 12:03 pm
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New Member
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Thank you guys ! Coop thank you for putting in the work to answer my question !! Much appreciated :)
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
62064 Posts |
It was new to me as well. Got new stuff to post and learned about the 1857 with the 1856 reverse. Didn't know any of that before. I knew about the 1858 large and small letters, but just another piece of the jig saw puzzle was added. Thanks for the question.
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Bedrock of the Community
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Quote: Coins are struck, stamps are stamped. Coins are struck, stamps are printed. (Intaglio printed, often with multiple passes through the press for each different color being printed.)
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