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Collecting Discussion - Key, Semi Key, Or Commons First?

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Just wanting to promote the discussion, of which should I collect in the series that I choose?

Yes, most collectors will say - "collect the key dates" or "build the collection around the key dates".


Might I suggest the opposite?


Reason? Key dates and most, if not all semi key dates are easy to find in just about any grade. Ready for you.

Have found the "common date" coins within multiple series, can actually be quite hard to find in the grade you choose to collect. Including true "UNC" coins!

Case in point - Uncirculated set of "UNC" Washington quarters. It is actually quite hard to find well struck common date coins. Several dates/mint marks are never mentioned in discussions or price reflected by price guides.

Try assembling an XF or AU Buffalo nickel set...without problem coins.

Even Morgan dollars. Try to put together a set that has not been dipped.

Need IHC, or SLQ's, or, or, or your favorite series be included in this discussion?

I have been slowly, but surely, assembling a U.S. Type set via Dansco album (NO gold page). There are some UNC selections that I have made. The early dates, I have been concentrating on condition with honest wear, but no corrosion, restoration/etc, but with full detail of each series design...and all of these qualifications without spending big bucks. My other limitation - must be from dealer inventory or from other collectors. And....NO SLABBED coins!
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 Posted 10/19/2016  11:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Oldephriam to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I am a collector of US modern coins. Each of my sets has been built by buying the common dates first and adding the key dates later. I usually buy the key date when I have about 60% or more of the set completed. As I look back and evaluate this strategy I think I would do this the other way around now. One of my biggest problems has been finding some of the common dates without having to buy an entire mint or proof set or a slabbed coin. I have finally had to give in and go this route just to complete some of my sets. The most frustrating part of collecting for me has been trying to locate a common date and hearing "oh, that's a common coin, everyone has those". First of all, I don't have one and second, neither does the guy I just asked.
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 Posted 10/20/2016  01:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My idea of collecting is, start with the commons first, if you can find them, but don't shy from keys and semi-keys just because they are so, especially if they appear for common prices.
(I'm more of a type collector than a date collector, so this is not as much of a problem to me, but key types - think 1859 cents - are nearly as much a thing as key dates, especially in earlier series, just harder to formalize directly.)

It is also sometimes the case ( Flying Eagle cents and, to a lesser extent, 20 cent pieces are examples among US series) that all dates are either relatively common, or extremely rare. You're not going to start your FE cent date set with a key date unless you get really really lucky, and/or have an awful lot of money.
(This is almost the case with Standing Liberty quarters too - but in that case there are a few other big keys and semi-keys as well; you don't need to hunt for the 1916 when you can start with the 1927-S or whatever, and get the 1916 later when you have that kind of money.)
There are also similar cases in many modern series when the key dates are NIFC (there's not much of a practice in the US of doing set-only coins, aside from S-mint proofs, so perhaps the closest analogue is the 1996-W dime; there are, however, a few such recent Canadian coins). In this case, you're probably going to buy a set to get that NIFC date anyway (if you even include it in your list), so there's no real reason to start with it, even if it's technically the key.
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Grab the bull by the horns.
Always try to get the harder to find or most valuabe of a series first.

The hard coins can get harder to find, the easier ones will always remain easier.
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It really depends... I think really it's more of a "feel" thing... when you see coins you like, buy them for your set. It might be a $2 coin, or it might be a $500 coin. Be flexible with your budget, but not with what you're looking for.
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The reason the advice is usually to start with the keys first is because by the time you get all the common coins the keys are often much more expensive than they were when you started. I have series were the keys were a little out of reach when I started, which were well out of reach by the time I got everything else, even though my financial condition had improved in the meantime.
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Grab the bull by the horns.
Always try to get the harder to find or most valuabe of a series first.

The hard coins can get harder to find, the easier ones will always remain easier.
If someone wanted to collect Barber dimes, would you recommend them to wait (and save up) for an 1894-S before trying to get any others? If it was Liberty nickels instead, would you advise them to start with an 1913?

There really are cases where the key date is, in fact, nearly impossible. In the more modern series it's at least usually theoretically possible to find any key date if you have enough money - in earlier series it can easily be that a particular year or variety literally isn't available for sale for a decade or more unless you hound the current owner (and even then you might have a better chance of getting a restraining order than the coin you need). I think there's been a variety that got recently offered on public auction for the first time since the 1890s - can't recall what it was unfortunately.
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I agree with sel.
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As @january1may indicates, some in a series may be effectively impossible to get. When you are starting collecting a series, clearly you have to "count the cost" of getting the complete set before you start, and/or accept that your set will always be missing a couple.
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Because of the high cost of keys I always went for the commons first . But that's just me . If you have no problem with spending big bucks right off the bat ,then by all means buy the keys first .
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If I had the means, I would definitely go with the harder coins first and on my journey to find them I am sure I would come across some of the common coins and add them as well as long as they were a cheap good deal. I have a number of holes in my type set missing and once I get back to it I am going to try and just save up for the Seated dollars or the older large cents before getting other stuff (like upgraded walker/barber halves, 3 cent silver, etc)
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Collecting the keys first seems anti-climactic to me.

I collect them last, it is like a victory lap.

As their prices rise, so does my disposable income (hopefully) and budgeted savings for them (more likely). Yes, I would love to pay the prices from twenty or thirty years ago, but back then I did not have the money I have now.

Regardless, no right or wrong way here. Do whatever gives you the most joy.
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Regardless of one's choice, "Look before you leap."
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If I'm just starting a series, I'll start with quality pieces for reasonable prices, just to make sure I like them enough to keep going. Better that than overpaying and storing something I don't really want in the first place.

After that, I just go by price and availability. I know where the holes are in my set, so if I see a key date for a good price, I'll grab it. I'll look more actively for the key dates, but if I still feel the itch without finding one, I'll scan for commons.
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Yes, the general advice is to buy the key dates first, and I think that advice is accurate for experienced numismatists who understand grading, coin markets, etc... However, I'm a fairly new coin collector and I immediately dismissed that advice because of my naivete in all matters related to coins. No way was I willing to shell out hundreds of dollars for a 16D Mercury before I really understood grading and the market. Making a newbie mistake on a $5 coin is called learning, making a newbie mistake on a $800 coin is called foolish.
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I don't go for either of them first.

I go for all of them at the same time.

Every time I start a new series I make an excel spreadsheet of every date, mintmark, variation, etc. in a list.

Then I look for every one of them at the same time and if I see a price better than what I expect to have to pay, I buy it, regardless of whether common or key.

Often, the common fill up first. But that is a factor of the quantity available. If 50 people put a coin up for sale, at least one might be bargain. With common coins, you hit that statistical threshold more quickly than with key dates.
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