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Mexico 8 Reales 1833 San Luis De Potosí - Damaged

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 Posted 10/21/2016  4:38 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add cara to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
What do CCF folk think this coin about? It is a pity that it was damaged on the cap.
Weight: 26.56 g
Diameter: 39.3 mm
Thikness: 2.4 mm

Mexico-8-Reales-1833-San-Luis-De-Potosí---Damaged

Mexico-8-Reales-1833-San-Luis-De-Potosí---Damaged

Mexico-8-Reales-1833-San-Luis-De-Potosí---Damaged


I am not familiarized with all the variations for this type, so I don't know if these are ok:

- No dot after date

Mexico-8-Reales-1833-San-Luis-De-Potosí---Damaged


- Notches in the bottom rays

Mexico-8-Reales-1833-San-Luis-De-Potosí---Damaged



- Both "C" characters in the legend "REPUBLICA MEXICANA" are closed
- Snake without tongue


Mexico-8-Reales-1833-San-Luis-De-Potosí---Damaged

Mexico-8-Reales-1833-San-Luis-De-Potosí---Damaged


- Laurel wreath leaf

Mexico-8-Reales-1833-San-Luis-De-Potosí---Damaged

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 Posted 10/21/2016  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My suspicion is that this coin was actually used as a military button. If you post a clear enlargement of the center of the cap (upper part) I believe the lozenge shaped mounting point of the stem is visible there.

The vast majority of "buttons" that were made from genuine coins did not survive. I would estimate that less than 1% of surviving buttons are genuine silver coins.

Too bad someone knocked off the loop and stem leaving only the bare outline of the stem. The coin could be quite RARE as a button. In the present condition it is still rare but worth a lot less to a button collector.
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 Posted 10/21/2016  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cara to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes swamperbob, I think it was a button.

I have just done the SG, it is 10.2....Is it due to welding?



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10/21/2016 5:37 pm
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 Posted 10/21/2016  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Lucky Cuss to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The specific gravity suggests a silver composition.

The notched rays intrigue me, as do those oversized, closed C's.



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The notched rays were caused by a chip in the punch used to punch them into the die. Note that each ray is actually the same.

The lozenge shaped connection point for the stem is rather conclusive. The weld is clear as is the damage to the surface caused by the addition of the stem. There is also some material that has filled between the rays. This added metal along with the heating could effect the density. The weld metal may be a lower density. The heating could volatilize some inclusion (dirt or grease) in the metal which might cause a slight expansion in the size of the coin.

Either of these two could be the cause or even a slight error in weight could make the difference. I would not be too concerned that the coin itself was not original.
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 Posted 10/21/2016  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cara to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting, I had not realized that the five notched rays were the same punch.

I had noted a slight difference in SG in other soldered coins before. What you say confirm me the fact: the density of the metal for welding and the heating effect are the cause.
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10/21/2016 11:45 pm
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 Posted 10/22/2016  01:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The closed C is typical of a punch that has been filed down too far (lapping a process undertaken to remove damage to the cutting surface of a punch or a die).

The way a punch is made enters into this. A typical C punch will not last long if the ends of the opening of the punch are not supported. That means the punch looks more like a C with a bar across the opening when viewed from above.

Here is a rough sketch of what I mean.



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