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 Posted 10/27/2016  07:59 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add twslisa to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I hope I'm not wearing you guys out with all my questions! I really appreciate your patience and helpful responses!

OK, so I've seen the warning--do your homework on ebay dealers before buying. But if I see a coin I really want, what should I do?

For example, there's one I'm interested in, being sold by a dealer that ebay shows has having over 59k (that's thousand) sales, and a 99.8% thumbs up rating. The coin itself has good reviews from folks who've purchased from this dealer (it's a bullion coin). I tried to find the dealers rating with the BBB, but I'm not finding it (quite a few near matches, but no exact matches with the name of the dealer as given on ebay).

Is their sales history and rating with ebay sufficient in this case just because of the sheer volume of sales, or is there more I should do?

In this case the dealer is Bay Precious Metals, so anybody who has dealt with them can pm me with info. But for future reference, can you clarify where I should go to learn about dealers beyond the obvious things mentioned above? Thanks!
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 Posted 10/27/2016  08:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add X2an to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One thing I always look up is the actual negative feedback. Look what people have to say, are they rational in their comments? What's the seller's response? If nothing is actually badly done by the seller you should be fine. The huge amount of feedback, and thus deals means that this seller is serious. 
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10/27/2016 08:13 am
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 Posted 10/27/2016  08:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scopru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Also the age of the negative feedback is worth noting. If it is old, it does not carry as much weight than if it were recent (in my opinion) However, the seller you describe with 59k feedback would give me a level of comfort in dealing with them.
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10/27/2016 08:15 am
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 Posted 10/27/2016  08:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UltraRant to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This is exactly what you can do. Not only look at the amount of feedback and the amount of positive feedback, but also look at what the negative feedback has been, how this got handled by the dealer and how old the positive and negative feedback is. For example: if an account had tons of good feedback and went dead for a year and recently started to get feedback again, then there's something fishy, as it might be a hacked account.
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 Posted 10/27/2016  08:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add T-BOP to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Always make sure the seller accepts returns .To me , my question is Why Not ? I will always pass this seller by even if I like the coin .
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 Posted 10/27/2016  08:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add edweather to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Imo, with 59K sales, and 99.8% positive feedback, you have nothing to worry about. Buy with confidence. ebay will back you anyway. You're always going to have a few negatives with that many sales, nobody's perfect, buyer or seller.
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 Posted 10/27/2016  08:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joeysanders627 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
1. Look at the feedback. See if they are getting the same complaints all the time.

2. Search on this site. Maybe someone had a back experience with the seller and posted the story here.

3. Google their name and see what comes up.

4. You can check the BBB, but that does not mean much. I have owned many businesses and the BBB can raise your grade for a fee. They have offered it to many businesses.

5. Besides checking their ratings, see how long they have been on ebay.
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 Posted 10/27/2016  08:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add twslisa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good info! Agree that if you have that many sales, it might even be a little odd if there were NO negative reports. With that many customers, there have to be a few folks who are never happy.

Good point, too, about the returns. I know my favorite (so far) brick and mortar dealer, when it comes to bullion coins, warns that if you try to sell it back they will pay something less than what you bought it for. I get it--they need to make a profit. In their case, you actually got to see the coin before you bought, so you can't really say it wasn't what you expected. I also know that with a numismatic buy, if they sell something that you later discover is not what it seems to be, they will refund if you can document. As for returns for any other reason, you're going to take a hit. If this dealer doesn't want the hassle of buyer regrets, I get it, but given we are buying actual sight unseen, that policy does bother me.

That said, with such high sales figures and positive reviews, it's less of a concern than it might be with a different dealer. Seems to me that with this bunch people are getting what they pay for.
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 Posted 10/27/2016  08:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bay Precious Metals has an excellent reputation and a strong following of customers in the bullion market.
I don't know of any dealer that offers refunds on bullion purchases.
The price of spot can change rapidly in just a few days time and profit margins are already VERY slim.
There is a big difference in buying a few ounces of bullion on ebay from a big dealer with experience v/s buying a collectible coin for several hundred (or thousand dollars).
Looks like you already did a perfect amount of homework.
I would not go as far as looking for a BBB rating for a company with 59k worth of ebay feedback.
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 Posted 10/27/2016  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jrs146 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
With 59K in feedback, as long as they do not have a lot of negative I would think they are a good seller. Add in a return policy and it's looking good!
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 Posted 10/27/2016  5:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Alpha2814 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your comment that "the coin itself has good reviews" doesn't mean a whole lot in this context. Those reviews pertain to the coins themselves (not the seller) and every coin (and its holder, if any) may vary from any other. If there's a picture of the actual coin you would receive, use that as your guide.

For bullion, this is probably not that significant because they generally aren't circulated and may never have left the holder. For raw/circulated coins, reviews are all but worthless -- it's the seller's feedback that is most important.
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 Posted 10/27/2016  5:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's a small thing, perhaps, but also check the seller's ebay store (and feedback) to confirm that coins are his/her principal business - many sellers with thousands of successful ratings primarily sell non-numismatic merchandise.
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See threads on this site for some info:

http://goccf.com/t/2393 (recommended sellers)

and

http://goccf.com/t/2392&whichpage=1 (discouraged sellers)
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 Posted 10/29/2016  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add johnny676767 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wouldn't worry about it as long as you are careful about the return policy. You should check if the seller deducts a 'restocking' fee. Also, pay attention to sales tax. Depending on which state you are in dealers may or may not charge sales tax. I'm in California and I can save between almost 10%when I buy online from an out of state dealer. That may change, though.
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 Posted 10/30/2016  02:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigchip22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
good advice to follow
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Honestly, as both a buyer and a seller (primarily the later now), reading feedback, scores, and comments in general can be taken with a grain of salt. When looking at negative feedback, try to get as much information on the person who left that feedback as possible, most especially their age. In my experience, I have found that senile old men (usually age 65 and older) are often very forgetful or have bad eyesight... they are the ones most likely to lie about the items received and leave negative feedback.

There is so much control now over the sellers by both ebay AND PayPal that it's much more difficult to defend against bad buyers than it once was.

The best thing to do really is to look at what the sellers are offering, and pay particular attention to those that have a list of Terms and Conditions in their item description. In my experience, the sellers you can trust the most are the ones who have a list of their terms, and who also offer payment options other than PayPal. With how things are now so slanted toward the buyer on ebay, it is very understandable why some sellers no longer accept returns.
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