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LWC 1916-D: Is There Doubling And Are Those Tool Marks?

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 Posted 10/28/2016  11:09 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Biedercoins to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I was out looking for an upgrade to my LDS Lincoln 1916-D and came across this critter.

First of all, I thought the mint mark looked like it had been repunched & then I noticed that some of the other devices looked a little funky. Then there is the Lincoln bust itself: what's up with the beard? My 16s have the Morse Code like streaks, but they go all the way down; is this just the strike?

Finally, flip it over and there are "stretch marks" from where the letters and stalks are all being pushed toward the rims. I've never seen such an extreme where if you looked at only a single letter, you'd swear that those were tool marks.

Is this coin unique are just an extreme of VLDS?

I didn't crop, so click on the pics for larger size:


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10/28/2016 11:13 am
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 Posted 10/28/2016  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The stretch marks on the reverse are called die flow. The metal is pushed into the shape the die wants under very strong pressure. This causes wear on the dies. As the die ages, then the flow lines start to appear. Some flow lines are polished off every time a die is worked over. So they may come and go, but the fields suffer. The devices start to look thinner when the depth of the devices are reduced. Sometimes lines of the roof, neck and even numbers maybe thinned. But that is all part of the die wear/abrasion the die suffers.

On the obverse, the 1916 obverse dies have a stronger design that year on many denominations. So to see the marks like that on the beard, for this year is common. Other years you don't see it as much, but because of the nicer design this year, we note it when we come it to other years. Here is one that purchased a few years back:
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This also was the last year of the matte proofs:
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The die on the obverse is showing die wear, but because the extra design effort was applied that year, the devices detail lasts a little longer.

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The strike on your 1916 is gorgeous as far as the design details on the bust. It looks practically PL when it's magnified as it is. Even so, I can see the L in LIBERTY creeping up the rim, starting to show die age.

As far as the 1916-D that I posted, I've never seen flow lines so distinct and widespread. Even the field below CENT toward 6:00 there are flow marks.


Is 1916 the year the mint did some work to upgrade the design or was it in '16 that they acknowledged restoration was in order? I need to dig into Wexler & Flynn to educate myself, but looking at real coins is so much more fun!


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10/29/2016 07:00 am
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Most informative discussion as always.
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