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Is This A Counterfeit 1831 Large Cent?

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 Posted 10/31/2016  09:53 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add pasasap to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Coin is being sold on ebay as sharp AU with exposure damage. I was interested in it, then I realized that it could be a Chinese copy coin.

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 Posted 10/31/2016  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Conder101 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
31 N-7 R-1 I'd say it is real. The corrosion pits in the obv really hurt the coin.
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 Posted 10/31/2016  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add joeysanders627 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I like the details of that coin. Yes, the pits are the pits in this case and it reduces the coin's value. I would pay about 40 - 55 dollars for this coin if I was adding it to my personal collection. If I was looking to flip it, I would purchase it for 20 - 30 dollars max.
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Coin is being sold on ebay as sharp AU with exposure damage. I was interested in it, then I realized that it could be a Chinese copy coin.


Sharp AU? Not. Genuine? Yes. Not worth much at all in that condition.
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 Posted 10/31/2016  11:35 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UltraRant to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I also tend to believe that it's likely a genuine coin. I would never grade this one as AU, though. And then there's the surface damage on the obverse...
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 Posted 10/31/2016  11:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks genuine. I really hate this type of environmental damage myself, so I'd pass.
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 Posted 10/31/2016  11:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Debrajc to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, the coin looks authentic and the corrosion is a bummer.
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This is the kind of coin I'd never buy, but if I found it metal detecting I'd be thrilled at what great shape it was in for an old copper
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Why would anyone fake this? Buying ex-jewelry and environmental damage is generally lower risk for countefeits.
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Genuine, too bad about the damage.
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thq..."Why would anyone fake this?"

The people who sell these counterfeit coins on ebay or at coin shows do not make them, they purchase them from the Chinese very cheaply in bulk. Despite being cheap, the Chinese counterfeit Large Cents are often very accurate, and can normally fool most collectors who are just looking to fill holes in their coin folders. However, these counterfeit coins all look very similar to each other, so often the dishonest sellers alter the fake coins by doing something to them to help them fool even the more advanced collector. The seller will still make a profit even if the coin sells for less. The idea is to get your money, and get you to accept the coin is authentic and not question it. After all they certainly do not want you to send the coin into be graded or authenticated.
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100% real, XF (not AU), and too far gone with verdigris and corrosion to save.
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If I needed it to fill a hole I'd go $20 on it. But I'm not bidding against you for it. It belongs in the $5 junk coin bin. It's not worth slabbing unless you want to flip it for $50. Good luck on that.

Dealer has 3 neg feedbacks and none for counterfeits. If you win it, you may get some pushback if you return it.

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$20-30 sounds right. It is definitely genuine.
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 Posted 11/01/2016  8:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Omegaraptor to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Definitely real.

It's important to know that the Chinese have been playing with their products recently, in ways such as damaging them to pass as genuine coins.
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Genuine

Also think ... to bad about the damage. I have coins like this, with green inside
the pits. I have yet figured out how to get rid of the green without hurting
the coin more.

For me I would have to buy this coin very cheap.
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