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United States
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Darn scary, if you ask me! I once purchased a couple of American Eagles from one of the big precious metals dealers. They had a slight golden sheen ( for lack of a better word) on a bit of the front. Almost like toning. At the team ( about 6 years ago), I tried to search for possible conterfeit that looked the dame and found nothing. That's not the case now. Makes me wonder if they'really was a problem. I'll never know as I sold them when platinum doubled. I wrote the color off to them being only 99.9% pure ( or 99.99%), don't really remember the fineness stamp. And I believe platinum is usually mined along with gold.
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Scaringly good pieces. I've personally own Perth Mint coins and bars since 2012. Lately with the new Certicard serialnumber font and new package makes me feel scared. How can I trust anymore. Without a UV pattern these fakes are getting so close to a genuine. There should be a additional security feature, hologram or QR code like PAMPs Veriscan. or is there a hidden feature on Perth Mints we dont know? |
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For a comparison purpose, here's mine 100% genuine 2012 50 gram bar Things to look into when bying pre 2013 bars from PM -UV pattern under a uv-light -serielnumber font, size, spacing -thickness of the bar of course The last picture is under a purple "party light" not a genuine uv light, but the pattern is there.     |
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A hidden feature wouldn't do anyone but law enforcement much good. Like counterfeit paper money, the last holder usually gets stuck with it. Make sure that you buy from trusted sites with a guaranty of authenticity or from a place like ebay that offers a third party guaranty. The fakes shown here should be attacked direct from the Perth Mint with the help of U.S. or Canadian authorities. No matter what the seller says about them (calling them replicas or copies or whatever), without something on the bar or packaging that states this they are flat out counterfeits. If these were fake U.S. Eagles (or any U.S. coin for that matter), the FBI would hopefully be all over them (or is it the Secret Service that handles that?) |
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Hi Stonen. Welcome to CCF You got a beautiful bar there. This is another way, for the naked eye, if your sight is good, this is a photo of the word Security on the Counterfeit assay card. Notice almost no space between the letters UR. Font is more fuzzy on fake. Trademark R does not line up. Counterfeit  Authentic  Edited by Goldflake
11/07/2016 5:05 pm
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Thank you Sir. I looked into this more deeply. The main thing for me is the thickness of the bar. To keep in mind that the original Certicard is 1,25 mm thick (measured with a caliber), 1 oz Perth Mint bar is 1,71mm thick. It's really thin bullion. If the fakes are doublethe density, about 3 mm its so hard to tell difference. The thinner the better, everything else being ok and "halal". Mine 50 g bar is about 2,4-2,5 mm thick. Even a 100g bar is a "thin" being 4,5 mm. Does anyone have a side picture of these fakes? Assuming that they are too fat? Tungsten out of the count... |
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If XRF is not available, I trust in two things. 1. thickness of the bullion. Dead on with a good caliber. 2. UV pattern. here's under 365 nm uv light. (cheap party light)  |
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Pamp 1 oz side view.  |
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Canada
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a picture is worth a thousand words.. good side pictures Goldflake..you will notice in auctions, no one ever present side photos(for thickness)..
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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I am going to be so worried next time these come into the shop.  |
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United States
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Time to repost this: They will be showing up for years to come. Counterfeit sellers, who know they are China fakes. Buyers trying to re-coop their loses, relisting them as authentic. Here's a 5 gram counterfeit recently sold on ebay. You have to shake your head. Who in their right mind would buy it? ebay item 222523797421 sold by dcoy6313 a 100% feedback seller  Edited by Goldflake
06/02/2017 2:40 pm
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Well there are people willing to buy/sell ebay accounts. Now I know why someone would buy an existing ebay account! |
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United States
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Wow that is very scary as they almost look exactly alike. If there's any listed on ebay, then we need to report the listings so ebay can look into the reported listings. Errers and Varietys.
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There are plenty of them in online shops
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Posted 11/07/2016 1:47 pm
