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Guidelines For Documenting Ancient Coins Proposed

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Guidelines-For-Documenting-Ancient-Coins-Proposed Numismatic News - The United Kingdom has the Treasure Act and the Portable Antiquities Scheme. Collectors and coin dealers in the United States are seeking common ground for collectible coins with the U.S. government and archaeologists through several organizations including the Ancient Coin Collectors Guild.

Similar problems with how to deal with the ownership of antiquities and coins defined as being ancient are being experienced in Germany and elsewhere within the European Union as well. Guidelines hoped to be adopted universally regarding how to handle reasonably freshly discovered ancient coins are presented in an article by Shanna Schmidt appearing in the Oct. 13 issue of the online publication CoinsWeekly.com.

Schmidt brings out some good points. She asks, "Why would it make sense to implement an ethical guideline?" then answers her own question, "It makes sense because collecting will not go away and to suggest otherwise is absurd."

Schmidt points out ".if we go back and look to when all museums were forming collections we will be struck by the fact that none would have existed without the generosity of collectors . Preserving history is the goal of all responsible collectors."

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 Posted 11/27/2016  5:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pertinax to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It would be nice to know what the guidelines are so that we could comment if we wished.

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I've never entirely been able to wrap my head around the arguments to end the collecting of ancient coins. I can understand the calls for some sort of accommodation that might potentially reduce looting of ancient sites. Nobody - other than the looters - wants such activities to continue. And I commend Shanna Schmidt and others who seek a resolution that recognizes that "collecting will not go away." Personally I am not necessarily opposed to a requirement for documenting coins within one's collection according to certain criteria, as long as the criteria are realistic and manageable.

But I've never been able to understand the extremists in the archaeology community who want to end collecting of ancient coins altogether, and who seem to think of collectors as cultural pirates. The fact is that ancients collectors are celebrants of multicultural, historical learning and appreciation. They are also hobbyists who respectfully and carefully steward and preserve the coins they collect.

As every participant on this board well knows, the collecting of ancient coins is a learning-focused hobby that fosters an understanding of the history, worldview, politics, and iconography of ancient societies. To threaten such an endeavor is just plain illogical. Better that the collecting of ancient coinage continues, as it has done for many hundreds of years, than to impede learning and relegate even more millions of coins to dusty boxes in the basements of museums and academic buildings, never to see the light of day.

Every two months the local ancient coin collecting group here in St. Louis gets together. At each meeting a member presents a path of research that was prompted by coins - coins that are passed around during the lecture. History made tangible! Every member in attendance COULD HAVE stayed at home and wasted away watching TV or been engrossed by Facebook. Instead these people meet - often from long distances and after hard days at work - to admire the artifacts of ancient cultures that are discussed and celebrated. Everyone leaves these meetings enlightened.

This is, of course, no different than what happens regularly on this board, pretty much every time Spence, Echizento, VK, TypeCoin971793, AnYangMan, and other enthusiasts post their research.

Are we wrong to be a learning community? It would seem that there are some who think so.

The Ancient Coin Collectors Guild used to have an annual auction hosted by VAuctions. Money raised was used to support ACCG's legal defense of the hobby against those who would increase import restrictions on ancient coins. These no doubt include, as the linked article refers to them, "those individuals, primarily some archaeologists, who oppose any form of individual...ownership of these same objects." I remember donating some books and catalogs for the auction - only to have my name publicly listed, along with other apparent evil-doers, on a cultural property blog - like a sex offender, for gosh sakes. The online equivalent of a public flogging for folks who dared to care about history and the continuation of learning. How dare us!

Alright, I'll get down off my soapbox now.

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Well said. I would also argue that there are some rulers we only know through their coins, there is no other historical record. Numismatics can play a very important roll in teaching history.
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Nice take on this subject Bob.
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I am getting the impression more and more that these hardline anti-collectors are so accustomed to extremely rate antiquities that they forget how common ancient coins really are. The Augustus of Prima Porta is a unique and priceless treasure that ought to belong to the public, but there really are enough Constantine and Constantius II bronzes for millions of people to own one if they so choose.

I'll echo; I simply cannot understand the mindset that "only museums and archaeologists deserve to own ancient coins".
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Well said Bob, nothing more to add.
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Well said. I would also argue that there are some rulers we only know through their coins, there is no other historical record. Numismatics can play a very important roll in teaching history.
Wasn't there a numismatic article a few years back that seriously overhauled the known succession of some late ancient Indian dynasty on the basis of like one or two newly found coins?
(Said dynasty, IIRC, being one of those that were only known from their coins in the first place.)

Which of course makes the "unique priceless treasure should belong in a museum" thing a lot more meaningful, but it's not like a museum is very likely to care about that sort of thing.
Besides, which museum? Many of the most important ancient coins originally came from areas now, or very recently, occupied by civil war.
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There were a couple dozen Western Satraps, only a couple of which are attested through any sort of history, and only second hand accounts from kingdoms they were at war with, IIRC. But, since the coins give the ruler's name, title (Great satrap or Satrap, similar to the Augustus / Caesar system in Rome), and also the ruler's father and a date in a common calendar system, we know just about their whole lineage with just a few gaps.

Likewise, there are a few Roman usurpers who are only known from their coins, and the existence or lack of coins is generally the defining factor between a real, historical person, and one invented for the Historia Augusta.
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