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Edward The Confessor, Money/Mint Help, Question

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 Posted 11/14/2016  10:02 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add mafru2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I have an Edward the Confessor pointed helmet type penny purchased about 5 or 6 years ago. I never really wondered whether it was real or not (I now forget the name of the seller). My concern after researching a bit online is that there is no reference to another exactly like it anywhere. The concerning part is this...

The coin states "STIRCOLONEOFERPIC+"

So that is Stircol of York which is normal for this issue but nowhere do I find a coin with "EOFERPIC" completely spelled out. None of the online references show that combination. In fact one book says that most York coins do not have EOFEPIC it spelled out because the moneyer name is usually too long.

My thinking is that either the coin is so common that EOFERPIC is not referenced anywhere or its uncommon/rare. None of the older reference books that are available online reference the full combination of names. It's a nice full flan, which is what made me purchase it. My hope is that its not one of these too good to be real coins.

Any suggestions? Since the coin is so nice I was wondering if it could be from a horde but again, I can't find another like it online.

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 Posted 11/14/2016  2:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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This is not my area, but others here should be able to help. We are going to need to see the other side of the coin.
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 Posted 11/14/2016  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mafru2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the welcome. Here's the obverse...

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 Posted 11/14/2016  8:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@mafru2, first welcome to CCF. Second, that is a very interesting coin that you are posting. I see that it can be attributed as Spink #1179 and therefore is dated between 1053 and 1056 AD.

I do see a few areas of variation on these coins. First, yours has an annulet in the third quarter, but some have the annulet in other quarters or even no annulet at all. I'm by no means an expert in this area, but I think that the annulet signifies that the coin was minted in York.

Second, there are many variations in the inscriptions. In a quick web search, I'm actually not seeing any coins of this variety with exactly the same inscriptions and also none of them match the plate coin in Spink. Here are a couple links of potential interest.

https://www.numisbids.com/n.php?p=l...580&lot=1176
http://www.londoncoins.co.uk/?page=...searchtype=1

I also get nervous when my coins don't exactly match what I see online or in the books. Certainly, the standards for literacy among die sinkers in the year 1053 AD England were not particularly high and so it shouldn't be too surprising for us to see some variation in their output.

I recognize that I'm not really answering your implied question of real vs. fake. I would say that there is nothing that jumps out at me that you have a fake though.
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It looks fine to me. Though dont always base your judgement on whether you can find an 'exact' match online. There have been many fakes of early English pennies in recent years that almost exactly match the die of a genuine coin. That being said, nothing stands out as fake to me.
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Spence and flippy, thanks for your response.

I didn't really think of literacy as an issue but that is interesting. I guess I naturally want to assume that there was some governance of the dies but clearly that is not the case.
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