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1973-D LMC What Would The Filled Top Of Bay 2 Be Called?

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Most likely part of a die clash.
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Thanks, John1 - I didn't think of that! I made an overlay. It's rotated a bit to fit, but that is not unusual with clashes - what do you think?





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Looks like a fit!

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I see a clash too! Very nice.
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Amazing! I have never seen a clash with such an expanded area! I guess that is why I did not consider it as a possibility!

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Notice that the leftmost columns are thinner close the roof, that is a side effect of aggressive die polishing to remove clash marks.
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I did not notice that! Thanks for pointing it out.
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There could be an issue with no rotation also that could affect that area. The letters 'TY' from LIBERTY can appear in that area and when the die is polished/abraided it will also affect that area. But if the other bays are a match with the rotation shown, the that maybe the case. Either way, it is not a premium for the coin. It is more of just knowing what caused the issue is the satisfaction from finding these.
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It is more of just knowing what caused the issue is the satisfaction from finding these.

I agree - that is what I enjoy!

However, it seems that there are times when there is a premium! See this link:

http://www.ebay.com/sch/Coins-Paper...045573.m1684
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I discovered today that this is not a die clash. It is a die subsidence error!


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Die subsidence (sunken die) errors are usually one-off events. In other words, the error will only affect one die. When die subsidence errors affect several dies, it's usually the periphery of the die face. This makes sense as differences in hardness would be expected to develop during flawed heat treatment (annealing, tempering, quenching). These processes cool or heat up a die from the outside in, and circular or semicircular zones of weakness can develop in the case of heat-treatment that is too rapid, too slow, or that is interrupted in some fashion.

The real mystery arises when you end up with highly localized, repetitive die subsidence errors in the same location well within the die face.

The most widespread epidemic of repeated interior die subsidence errors occurs among 1973-D cent. Only the reverse die is affected and at least 8 dies are represented. The defect is always found on the left side of the Lincoln Memorial, between columns 1 - 3. The outline and height of the zone of subsidence is slightly different from die to die, but the location is quite consistent. Why only the reverse die is affected, and why the abnormally soft patch of steel is restricted to this area, is a profound mystery. These defects are often mistaken for clash marks.http://www.error-ref.com/?s=die+subsidence
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Pete you da man. I once collected the 1973-D in something like 14 different stages but freed them a few years ago thinking it was stages of a die clash.
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I once collected the 1973-D in something like 14 different stages but freed them a few years ago thinking it was stages of a die clash


I can never make my self do that! I was noticing, today, some of the things I have kept in the collection. They shouldn't be there!
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On the three images of the 1973-D coins, you can see a line direction NE on the cornice. I'm not seeing that on this coin. To me it still looks like die abrasion to me.
http://www.error-ref.com/?s=die+subsidence
Note the third example. It show that the strongest. The other two images are showing it lesser.
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Odd. I would like this to be a die subsidence, but I'm not sure yet.
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This is indeed one of the dies affected by a recurring die subsidence error.

http://www.coinworld.com/news/us-co...or.all.html#
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