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1957-D LWC I Don't Know What This Is (Below The Bust)?

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Also see the area above T in TRUST

Any ideas appreciated!

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 Posted 12/09/2016  10:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Over abraded die or die gouges?
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Good question on this one. I've not seen that before on the obverse. On the reverse of a cent that year, I would think Feeder Finger Damage, but that is probably what this is not. I would agree with John1 on this one. Die gouges and a possible die dent on the left side of the jacket.
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Thanks Coop and John.

I am especially wondering about the very abrupt "wall" on the left side? It is where Coops' left arrow of the set of 3 arrows is pointing. Does that really look like something which could be caused by die abrasion? What kind of tool would be used to produce that kind of die abrasion? What kind of die abrading tools did they have available? Does anyone have any photos of those tools?
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Look what I found! It is description of die polishing with the use of rotary tools.

This might be a possible answer to me question?

http://www.coinnews.net/2013/04/09/...g-coin-dies/

http://www.coinnews.net/2013/10/04/...proof-coins/
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Does it look like the ATB proof quarter has incuse elements on the die? I don't have a proof example. Maybe they are different than the business strike dies that are raised to make the coin show incuse design on the outside ring devices?

Answered my own question. The devices on the proof ATB Quarters are raised. The get polished along with the fields.
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I supplied those links to show what polishing tools looked like.

It may be a stretch but if one were held at an angle, it might explain the anomaly on my coin?

I guess that I am not yet convinced it is abrading because it is so severe - but I am trying to explore how it could be possible.
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Maybe Mike can help you out?
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Hard to say. Could be a die dent, accidental die abrasion, or intentional die abrasion. Maybe a combination?
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Thank you, Mike!
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I am just thinking about this. Mike's use of the term "accidental die abrasion" is an epiphany for me!

When I take that and look at the images (see the links I posted) of dies being polished with hand held rotary tools, I think that I am ready to conclude that this is what happened. The strong vertical edge on the left of the anomaly lends itself to that description.

Any other thoughts?
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