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Can Anyone Please Help Identify This Coin. It's 1,400 Years Old.

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 Posted 12/11/2016  3:35 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add sswensso to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I found this coin while I was going through my late grandfather's things. I searched all over and I think it is a Justinian coin from 539 AD. I don't know much about coins or values so any information would be great. The image came from online. My coin is not as clean but you can clearly see that all the markings are exactly the same.

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 Posted 12/11/2016  3:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@sswensso, first welcome to CCF. Second, I'm not sure what you need. If you just look at the website where you got this image:

http://www.templegallery.com/main.p...de=3&p1=1543

there is a whole bunch of information about that coin and what was going on in the Byzantine Empire at that time.

It would be better for you to take pics of your specific coin and post them here. There may be subtle difference between what you have and what you think you have which would allow us to make a differential attribution. On the other hand, if you are absolutely positive that you know what coin you have, then there really isn't any additional help that we can provide.
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 Posted 12/11/2016  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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I agree we will need to see a picture of your coin for a proper identification.
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Thank you for the quick replies, I will post a picture of my coin shortly. Also, how do I get this coin authenticated? Sorry for the silly questions. I'm not at all experienced in this.
Thank you!
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 Posted 12/11/2016  6:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Once we see your picture we should be able to tell if it's real or not.
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 Posted 12/11/2016  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Unfortunately, I am highly skeptical. As has been noted elsewhere on the forum, Byzantine folles of Justinian I, Nicomedia mint, dated Year 12, are very frequently encountered "tourist copies". I know from personal experience in Ephesus when I visited there in 2014 that they make them in bulk and sell them to unsuspecting tourists coming off the cruise ships.

Genuine Byzantine folles of this date and mintmark do, of course, exist - the picture you've supplied appears to be a good example. But, due to the commonness of fake coins of this exact same type, we really need to assume the worst about them - especially if your grandfather was not a collector of ancient or mediaeval coins.
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 Posted 12/11/2016  8:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sswensso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here are the pictures. Two were edited to bring out details and two are not.

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Doesn't sit right with me either. Can't tell if it's just my screen, but it looks like it's trying to be silver, rather than genuine patined bronze.
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For comparison, documented fakes - all modern casts said to show up "with some regularity" on ebay:


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 Posted 12/11/2016  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add echizento to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry to say that nothing about your piece resembles an original issue. A single right facing folles was struck by Justinian I from the mint at Nicomedia but not with the reverse on your piece. Also the obverse design does not match to and original coin. Srry but it's not real.
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 Posted 12/11/2016  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, but it is as I'd feared - the OP's coin is a match for the tourist copies, posted by Bob L above and in the older thread I linked to earlier.
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 Posted 12/12/2016  07:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sswensso to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well that's a bummer. I appreciate all the fast and useful responses. I have many other coins that are old and possible rare. I'll do some research on this site. Thanks again!
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