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This Is What Unsearched Lots Can Look Like...

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 Posted 12/20/2016  1:52 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Potsdam to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi everyone,

today I received a package that contained a lot of coins and banknotes. Everything that you are about to see was offered in a classified ad online. There were a couple of images that gave a hint at what coins and banknotes would be included. Based on that, I bought everything for 150 € (shipping included).

Searching through all the stuff that I received I remembered several discussions on buying bulk lots from ebay that were offered as unsearched but actually were not. That is why I just wanted to give you an expression of how a unsearched lot, probably coming from an estate, can look like.


The first image shows about 170 1923 A 500 Mark coins. About 70 % of the coins are AU, the rest evenly splits up on XF and BU.
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Then there are several silver coins raning from 1891 to 1935.
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Now minor denominations from the German Empire....
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... followed by minors of the Third Reich...
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... and the Weimar Republic.
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But there are also foreign coins...
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and some more...
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... and some of them are actually scarce:
1 Denga 1852 - Russia
6 Pence 1842 - GB
10 Ore 1883 - Norway
25 Ore 1904 - Norway (unfortunately ex jewelry)
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And here is some random stuff (tokens, GDR, German States)
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If anyone is also interested in the banknotes, I can post some of them too. There are about 150 I guess, mostly German (inflation period) but also some Notgeld and Bohemia & Moravia issues. In terms of value all banknotes range between worthless and 80 $. I guess by selling everything that I do not need for my collection I should be able to get something around 500 $.

Best regards from Berlin
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 Posted 12/20/2016  2:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dennman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'd say that you did well.That's not a bad return on your investment if you did sell them.
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 Posted 12/20/2016  2:39 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
well done Potsdam, as always, a very interesting post! and not wanting to derail the topic but I hope you weren't directly effected by the tragic event that just happened at the Christmas market there..stay safe and happy holidays.
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 Posted 12/20/2016  3:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Andrew99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I see these Notgelds and think, not money, but that's totally not what they are. Then again, I saw Notausgang in Germany and figured it just wasn't an exit. Its a good thing I was never in a fire.
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 Posted 12/20/2016  4:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Buddy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for posting this. You got a lot of interesting coins. Enjoy!
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 Posted 12/20/2016  5:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice to see someone scored a good hit. Some excellent items included, it appears.
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 Posted 12/20/2016  7:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add january1may to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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And here is some random stuff (tokens, GDR, German States)
The 5 at the upper left is Swiss, and I'm pretty sure that the big copper coin with the oval-shaped shield is Duchy of Warsaw, which isn't technically German States either (though I might well be mistaken in that case).

And that cent right under the big copper is Westphalia, right? Fascinating coin!
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 Posted 12/20/2016  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bigchip22 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
yes I too question the claims that some rolls and other lots are truly unsearch
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 Posted 12/20/2016  7:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
awesome pick-up!
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 Posted 12/21/2016  01:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CelticKnot to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice score. It's always a case of buyer beware. You did (at least a little) due diligence to give yourself a shot at something unsearched, and it paid off. I think that's important.

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 Posted 12/21/2016  03:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add UltraRant to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Now that's an indication that Christmas was early this year and that Santa thinks you've been nice this year! Very nice lot!

If you're going to sell, then let me know, as I have a fond interest in getting my hands on one of those about 170 500 Mark coins.

Now for the two 'rare' Norwegian coins... The 1883 10 Øre is 'medium rare', as it had a mintage of 1.25 million. However, a lot of silver got lost during WWII, so we don't really know how many still are around. I got one in about the same quality or slightly better and I paid around 20 Euro for it, I guess.

Now ofr the 25 Øre... Can you tell me how much damage there is and from which year it is? Those coins usually go for quite good money around here, as all of them really are rare, with just 8 years of minting and all years on just about 400.000 to 600.000 pieces. Plus that a lot of them got lost over time.


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I see these Notgelds and think, not money, but that's totally not what they are. Then again, I saw Notausgang in Germany and figured it just wasn't an exit. Its a good thing I was never in a fire.


We have a town in Norway called heck. It freezes over regularly. 'Hell' in Norwegian actually means 'successfully'. Healthy food means 'helse kost'. In Dutch this literally means 'food from hell'.
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 Posted 12/21/2016  03:47 am  Show Profile   Check spru's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add spru to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The translations are hilarious.


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Healthy food means 'helse kost'. In Dutch this literally means 'food from hell'.


I guess that means I'm Dutch in this exercise...
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 Posted 12/21/2016  09:19 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Potsdam to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for all replies.

@thedollarman We luckily live in East Berlin and are not around that place very often, where this tragedy happened.

@UltraRant I will upload images of that 25 Ore piece later. For the 500 Mark coin just PM me.

The lot was not advertised as unsearched (which in my opinion is a condition for a lot to actually be unsearched). I also guess that the seller did not really know what she had there. Many of the more valuable banknotes were not visible on the images she provided so I only calculated the value on what I saw in the ad. My guess is that she inherited all the coins and banknotes and just wanted to get rid of them.

I also enjoy thinking about the possible history of this 'collection' (it may also be just called a hoard). The sellers location is a small town in the southeast Brandenburg, only about 50 kilometres away from Poland and the Czech Republic. The lot includes Notgeld and a token from other town of the region. So I guess that whoever left this lot to her, used to live in the region for quite some time. The lot also contains coins and banknotes from Poland, Czechoslovakia and Bohemia & Moravia, which supports that hypothesis.

Now lets get to the foreign coins. There are WWII issues from Yugoslavia, Poland and the Netherlands and earlier denominations from the Soviet Union so maybe a family member was a soldier and brought these home with him. Then there are these coins from Belgium and Russia, minted in the early 20th century that may have been a souvenir for some soldier of WWI. Even the older coins from France could be related to the Franco-Prussian War in 1870/1871.

I know that it may be unlikely that this lot grew in that actual way but I think that it has been passed on for generations with everyone adding a couple of coins or banknotes that were just left over and it is very interesting trying to reconstruct the history of such a lot.

Here is something, that I found between all the banknotes. I guess it was ripped out of a book. The page shows the exchange rates of European currencies. Due to the fact that Austria-Hungary are still one unit on this page these exchange rates now must be at least around 100 years old.

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 Posted 12/21/2016  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dustin6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice example of a true unsearched lot. Very hard to find nowadays
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