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Canada
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Anyone else ever get taken on a so-called Multi-colored coin ? I bought a lot of coins I believe it was 6 or 8, mixed denominations and dates, mostly 60's, 70's. A member from this forum was kind enough to message me as I had listed it on ebay. Apparently toning like this can 'Only' be artificial...? What I don't understand is that PCGS grades all kinds of rainbow- toned coins... So how can we know if they're natural or not through pictures or even in hand...? Are there any signs or pointers that make it obvious and to avoid..? Here's some photos of the dollar in question which I removed pending more info...   Edited by TaeKenDo
12/20/2016 4:41 pm
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Pillar of the Community
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Absolutely AT .... you can get this result many ways . Some use a baked potato , others sulfur. There are many ways.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Yeah, I was discussing with TheDollarman about this coin, I am trying to learn the difference between AT and natural Toning, based on the color spectrum that comes with toning, the spectrum present does not display itself together.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I wish I could quickly recall the web site but I do know there's one regarding "monster toners" for Morgan dollars.. artificial versus natural toning... One of the really intersting things the author talks about is the spectrum of toning that can ONLY happen naturally. just a quick search this site might be the one I had read.... http://www.jhonecash.com/coins/tonedmorgans.asp |
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I saw this coin earlier and I'll state the obvious - no doubt an AT coin.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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It's really very simple. Regardless of where natural toning begins, it continues in a natural progression for both influence and color.
Splotchy blotchy spatter toning, as with this coin, is always due to chemical or heat application, or both. Test with a PH stick (most easily found at aquarium stores), and you will always see results in the very high or low range. Sulfur is the fastest acting chemical for silver AT and sometimes you can actually SMELL the odor left on the coin.
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12/20/2016 5:53 pm
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I love natural coins. A little bit of splotchy toning is possible but when it's alternating around the lettering(CANADA 1936 DOLLAR in your example) it's certainly artificial. Here are some from my collection that were toned in the open air over a year or two: http://s292.photobucket.com/user/Ma...oned%20Coins |
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Canada
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Is there an exact science to toning? The old collector who store his silver in paper might find them beautifully toned in 30 years. His intention was not to deceive anyone but was that coin artificially toned? In a controlled environment, you can tone a coin any way you would like. It just will take a long while to make it market acceptable.
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I'm looking at the difference and it seems to be as fredor says splotchy as compared to a gradual blending of colors across the coin either from the center out or edge inwards, or from one edge to the other. Big difference from the one I bought. Here's a couple of others that came in the lot.    Edited by TaeKenDo
12/20/2016 11:32 pm
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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The coins could have been stored in a garden shed full of chemicals or somewhere else that has harsh corrosive atmosphere to produce effects like these.
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Pillar of the Community
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I'd say a potato, or oven, or brown paper towel or a combination of them and you have colors like that.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I'm not commenting on the 36 here..
..but the last 2 pics show the 71 with a lot of colour.
All of my 70's had a ton of colour in them (my 72's were especially beautiful)..and that's probably from the black clam shell single holders that they originally came in from the mint.
I melted almost all of them a few years back when silver moved up and gold was at $1841 /oz..
No regrets though as dealers were not offering any more than melt for anything that I had..and I had not made it to this CCF Forum..
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I've seen hundreds of the 1971-72-73's with beautiful colors. I find it hard to believe this is an artificial color...but I guess anything's possible. :(
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Bedrock of the Community
Canada
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THAT coin doesn't even look real AT for sure.  |
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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THAT coin ..but which coin is the "that coin"..?..  |
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Pillar of the Community
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The 1971 looks fairly genuine to me. The obverse has toning that isn't splotchy, but the reverse does. That's what I usually have seen online with these dollars (even in PCGS/NGC holders). That's because of the holders they came in. The 1936 is AT, as others have said. There's the same type of splotchy toning on both side.
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