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United States
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hello all sorry about being a complainer all the time, but the time has come once again for you more experienced collectors to explain this to me. in your opinion, does this coin qualify as a MSC67? (coin is being sold through Amazon). https://www.amazon.com/Silver-Comme...ins+for+saleIt is my unlearned opinion that PCGS over-grades coins. It is also my unlearned opinion that NGC under-grades their coins. I sent in a coin to NGC and paid a lot to have it graded. the coin had no visable flaws at all that I could see, not even under a magnifying glass. to me, my coin was in 70 condition, altho I would have accepted a 69. well, my "flawless" coin came back fron NGC as a MS67, same as this tarnished, flawed-looking coin. to sum it up, my coin came back with the same grade from NGC as the coin at Amazon... a 67. from a yard away without reading glasses on, the Amazon coin looked terrible, yet it rated a 67? The same as my "unable to see any flaws whatsoever even under a magnifying glass? so what am I misunderstanding here? thanks... mike |
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typo in first sentence... should be MS67
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Pillar of the Community
United States
5825 Posts |
The toning annoys me.
I wouldn't have called it an MS-67.
But if I could ignore the toning that grade wouldn't surprise me.
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5397 Posts |
Absolutely stunning coin.
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Bedrock of the Community
Australia
21788 Posts |
The toning is hiding any tiny nicks and hairline scratches that otherwise may be seen. Would have to look at this one 'in hand' with a 10x loupe to agree or disagree with the grading. For this coin to be sold at full MS 67 value, the buyer would need to do the same. I agree, that for various reasons, there is always at least some commercial temptation for TPG'ers to over grade, especially at this level. Always helps if you know how to grade accurately for yourself, if the coin is slabbed or not; well worth the effort to learn. Having said this, there is always the temptation to over grade your OWN coins. Everyone likes to own a more valuable coin that may have been bought for a bargain. |
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United States
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Takes quite a bit of skill to grade heavily toned coins. I'd need x-ray glasses to grade this one.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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This is where eye appeal comes in and has little to do with the technical grade.
Grading the coin strictly by a technical examination this example most certainly deserves a MS-67.
As for eye appeal, it depends on how long you have looked for and with how many Isabella's you've flirted. I looked for my own forever before I found one I loved, and this one is NICER than mine. The toning is beautiful, in my eyes.
So for the "look" of the coin, it sometimes takes a while to go from "MUST BE BRIGHT" to "love dat color ting".
Let's see your Isabella that you thought was better than a 67.
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United States
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I'm not into Isabella's, but this is a solid 67 to me . The beautiful toning makes this coin . Eye appeal is right up there .  |
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 Super coin. |
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United States
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hello I learn something here almost every day, one of which is that the toning has little to no bearing on the grade. I will say that I was impressed by the strike and beauty on this coin. the toning is what put me off, but if in your eyes the toning makes a coin even better, super... I just prefer the coins come looking as close as they can when they were originally minted. I guess each to his own. I am of the "shiny" class of collectors. of course, expecting that in a coin that is one hundred years old or more is being a little optimistic. I also did not know that Amazon was in the business of selling coins, wonder if they beat ebay as far as the fees and such go... thanks to all that responded... mike |
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United States
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If you browse heritage, you will find many highly graded Liberty Seated and Morgans with MS66/67 grades that are awfully toned. The technical grade and eye appeal are different stories.
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Market Graded MS67. There is a divot on the woman's cheek on the reverse and also what appears to be a hit behind her head. On the Obverse there are hits on Isabella's cheek and on her collar. These marks alone would easily normally preclude a MS67 grade. This practice of giving a higher grade because of the toning or rarity is BS and quite unacceptable. MS65 or MS66 on a GOOD day  |
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On some coins toning looks awesome. On other coins, it makes the coin look silly. Overall, a very good coin, but I have to agree with trout1105. This coin is slightly overgraded.
As an aside, I still don't know how PCGS, NGC, or NWA can tell the difference between a MS69 and MS70.
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United States
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I am with Trout as the coin is market graded MS67.
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To 4504: I agree with you that a perfect coin should be as if it had just been struck.
For that reason, I prefer blast white pristine silver coins to toned examples. I would think that a blast white 200 year old MS67 silver coin would be much rarer than an MS67 toned silver coin.
I also agree that attractive toning can increase eye appeal, and thus marketability - some will pay more for attractive toning. It's just that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Delicate attractive varied color toning is VERY delicate, and tends to be in an unstable state of transition to darker toning, where color is lost.
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