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Abundance Of 1877 IHC's On Ebay?

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I was trying to find an auction that had ended on IHC's, and I couldn't get over the number of 1877's sold. I'm wondering if these are all the real deal?
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Either know every detail about die examination, strike, and normal wear patterns or buy them TPG.

No, a lot of those sold are trash, but some are very close fakes.
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The vast majority of the ones sold on ebay are legit and usually are in mid to low grade.

The 1877 Indian was recognized early on as a low mintage key date coin by collectors. Many were pulled from circulation in the late 1800's and early 1900's. What remained was pulled in the 1930's and 1940's when B Max Mehl's Star Rare Coin Encyclopedia was issued offering to buy coins that could still be found in circulation. The 1934 catalog I have shows B Max offering 10 cents to 50 cents for 1877 Indians....(price actually being determined by condition back then, too!)

I would imagine that there were several hoards of key date Indians that existed at one time and the majority of the coins being sold today are probably from those old time hoards.
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Very interesting read westernsky.
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Westernsky is spot on. The 1877 has a survival rate disproportionally high compared to its mintage. It will always be expensive as the key to the series, but it is hardly a rare coin, or even scarce, until you get into the top BU grades.
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The 1877 Indian Head cent is sort of a money coin. If you have the money, you can always buy one in lower grade. Still, only buy slabbed ones.
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Just shows that this "rare" key date coin is not rare.
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Indeed. There is not a single regular issue in the small size cent series from 1856 to the present day that can be considered rare except in obscure varieties or over-the-top BU slabs.
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Yes, 1877 cent is not all that rare, but counterfeits abound in all grades, including "damaged and ugly." The processes used to make "impaired" ones look like problem coins also help to cover their sins. Low grade and damaged does NOT insure that it's genuine.

REALLY Know what the real thing looks like, or buy only certified examples.
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Most people would equate "rare" with "low mintage." But this is an example of that being untrue.

"Rare" simply means hard to find, for whatever reasons. For example, because of the relatively low mintages in 2009, I have yet to find any of those coins in circulation. So I consider them rare, though many millions of the coins were made.
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The reason is because the 1877 IHC is a common coin. It is just very highly priced because of collector demand (collectors need to fill that last hole to complete a very popular set). I have a Civil War Token with less than 11 known examples that is worth about $60 simply because there isn't much demand for it.

Coinfrog is right. There is not a single regular issue in the small cent series that is rare, but there are some conditional rarities (1915-S in high MS grade is one of them).
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Thanks for sharing these insights. I've thought about the IHC series and I knew 1877 was one of the keys but had not taken the time to dig into it yet. The book has not been ordered and read yet- lesson #1 I've learned from this community!
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Thanks for all the input. When ever in doubt, this is definitely the place with the answers!
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Yep, we're here!
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