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Help With Grading & Opinion On Color - 1917 50 Cent Piece

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 Posted 01/06/2017  11:50 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
A decent grade looks like a strong EF or AU but the color is a little strange. Is it natural..? There was no mention of that in the auction.

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 Posted 01/06/2017  12:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Pokermandude to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
AU50 IMO. Toning looks natural enough / market acceptable.
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 Posted 01/06/2017  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
i'd say the coin was likely cleaned at some point. the toning is very unattractive but I don't think it's artificial..likely just from one of those old blue folders. what's up above GRA: ?. overall IMO it's got terrible eye appeal regardless if it's original surfaces or color. you have, in my opinion a nicely detailed AU. given what I said about the lack of eye appeal, the price you got it for was ok..not bad actually.
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 Posted 01/06/2017  12:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks guys. Yeah I think it was a fair price...now the question is to send it out and to grade or not to grade... I wouldn't like to see the 7 letter word 'Details' on it...lol
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 Posted 01/06/2017  1:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Paulsz to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ICCS won't write details on the flap. I think ICCS is your safest bet. I'd say EF45-AU50
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 Posted 01/06/2017  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Check thedollarman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add thedollarman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
seeing as it's a scarcer grade for this kind of coin and since there's a higher value attached to AU, if there is a problem, ICCS will likely say the grade, and a comment such as cleaned..or net grade it to a VF-30 or EF-40 with no comment to make up for the defect. the seller's pics really worked in your favor. you're safe sending it to ICCS, it'd IMO be hard to lose money on this coin, even in an ICCS cleaned holder.
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 Posted 01/06/2017  2:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No indications of dipping or cleaning. Natural toning. Very nice.
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 Posted 01/06/2017  2:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Pokermandude - hope your opinion is right on...

@dollarman, yes the pics did work for me but I'm also thinking that the color was making others think 'cleaned' so they avoided it. To be honest, I was pretty sure it was but liked the detail. I love these older reverses.. something about them feels warmer than the later dates, especially the 60's upward which I don't really like at all. Not too much creativity going on there. I think it's about time they came up with a new edition for the reverses. Maybe hold a competition.

@Paulz - yeah I think you're right about ICCS

@moxking - thanks, I'm pretty happy with it.

@TaeKenDo - you did good...hahaha
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 Posted 01/06/2017  3:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SHAFTA9a to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks very nice for a 100 year old coin.

AU-50 for me..
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 Posted 01/06/2017  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Shafta9a - I didn't think about that - One Century Old !
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 Posted 01/06/2017  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well, gee, if this piece can grade ICKS "problem-free" (no cleaning noted)...:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Canada-50-C...132025498423


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...it's got terrible eye appeal...

I know the Canadian silver, for whatever reason (alloy, etc.), tends to tone nicely - esp. the .800 George V pieces - but geez, that's way harsh. There are MUCH worse looking/blotchier "tarnished" coins out there. Add to that a minimum of surface digs/hits/ solid rims... and a well-struck crown band (which I think is bumping the piece more of an AU look, rather than the XF+ is probably is overall)... Maybe not THE choicest eye-appeal, but certainly looks better than the piece I linked above.

Anyway, concerning that tone - it does look kind of odd, particularly the portrait side, where has sort of that "sitting on top" look, plus those always curious dead spots with little tone (perhaps where retoning "missed"). The reverse looks more natural, though, with more of a normal circ cameo look, so...?

Looking in hand would be more telling, I'd think. Does the piece have any hint of natural luster remaining on the obverse? With that much meat left to it, even with deep tone, I'd think there should be some remaining luster there if this wasn't stripped and repainted (and not just on the protected areas of the reverse).
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 Posted 01/06/2017  3:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add realeswatcher to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Oh, and on the topic of late teens' halves (sorry, 50 Cent pieces in Cananadian) - apparently, this is China fake. Happy Coins to you all:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1918-Canada...322306425989
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 Posted 01/06/2017  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I can't see luster on the Obv. through the highly reflective rainbow cartwheel effect of it's shininess under the color...so I guess not. But what I do see on the Obv. is what appears to be an old dark toning that should still be dark but is faded & colored over. This is just my wild interpretation of what I'm seeing. The Rev looks much more natural than the Obv. though.

Another thing that might be somewhat significant is the ridges of the coin which are all perfectly clean. No build-up or residue whatsoever & just a hint of colored toning.
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That's scary about the 1918... I wouldn't be able to tell and might actually bid on one of these if the seller is not listed from China. Yikes !! :(
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01/06/2017 9:02 pm
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 Posted 01/06/2017  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinfrog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TaeKenDo - Agree AU-50 at least, with beautiful natural toning. A super example.
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 Posted 01/06/2017  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TaeKenDo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have to agree Coinfrog, I like the colorful toning...must have something to do with where someone is born...haha
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