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2003 $1 50th Anniversary Uncrowned Not A Proof

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So, I don't know if this is an error or just something I don't understand but am posting it here. I thought all 2003 Voyaguer silver dollars were proofs. Appreciate some help in knowing if this coin is an error or just a coin I am unfamiliar with. Thanks!



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The orange peel effect suggests it's been harshly cleaned but it doesn't even look like silver. Maybe it's been dipped to death? As far as I remember these only came in the silver Coronation set so a weight would be helpful to determine it's composition.

Edit: Proof individuals were sold.

Specifications:
Composition: 99.99% Silver
Weight (g): 25.18
Diameter(mm): 36.07
Edge: Reeded
Finish: Proof
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Good question. I should have put the weight in the OP. It is 0.88oz (25.0g).
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I don't want to dismiss any other possibilities but the weight is right, I have no reason to believe these would be counterfeited, so I'm leaning towards an impaired proof.
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Maybe there is some sort of residue on the coin, Have you tried an acetone dip with this coin?
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No acetone or actually anything at all so far as testing it. When I realized it was something unfamiliar I put it aside and figured to wait to hear from folks who know more than I do about such things. I have no plans on harming the coin, but I suppose acetone would be a reasonable test to see what, if anything, is stuck on it. However, using my 30X stereo scope I find nothing to lead me to believe that the coin has anything going on other than an unusual texture to the metal.
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Can you use your scope and zoom in on that small rubbed area on the Queens jaw and post an image ?
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Here is a shot of the jaw with the earring for orientation/scale and a random shot from a bit further out showing the pattern across the coin from the relief to the field. All looks pretty similar and the discontinuity around the jaw seems like a normal light rub spot on a high-point feature.



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I am thinking that this coin may have been sandblasted
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Struck through counterfeit dies? I hate to imply it, but how does this junk end up on a supposedly proof coin? Same with the obverse between Z and A and between H and II.

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Have you tried a magnet on it.

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That's a weird one. I suspect come kind of harsh chemical. Sure doesn't look silver though
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Yes, tried the magnet. No, it is not an iron or iron alloy. From the comments I am thinking. First, it does seem like it has the qualities of a counterfeit, but also seems silver so who would do that? Second, assuming it is silver I don't think it has been mechanically cleaned at all, but dipped in something might be possible. But the pattern is very even over the whole coin so would have to have been a stable long soak. Maybe something as simple as salt water. Third, I'm not that familiar with the proof strike for these coins, but this thing just doesn't strike me as a proof strike in any way (see also the strike through noted above). So, could this have been a test strike for the pattern type done on a silver planchet at the mint?

Still guessing!
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Forgot to mention, I did the ice cube test and this thing passed easily as silver.
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Light blast with soda ash or something similar
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This coin has been sandblasted. 100% guaranteed.
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