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1878-S Morgan - Cleaned Or Not? What Would It Grade?

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 Posted 01/06/2017  4:43 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add LibertyEagle20 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I can't determine if this coin is cleaned or not. I do see a lot of hairline scratches (particularly on the observe around Liberty's head and under "In God we Trust" on the reverse). Liberty has a decent sized hit under her eye but I know that is just a bag mark. On the other hand, the reverse almost looks cameo-like to me. The coin DOES appear to cartwheel but I am no expert. Is this coin cleaned? What would it grade?



1878-S-Morgan---Cleaned-Or-Not?--What-Would-It-Grade?

1878-S-Morgan---Cleaned-Or-Not?--What-Would-It-Grade?

1878-S-Morgan---Cleaned-Or-Not?--What-Would-It-Grade?

1878-S-Morgan---Cleaned-Or-Not?--What-Would-It-Grade?

1878-S-Morgan---Cleaned-Or-Not?--What-Would-It-Grade?

1878-S-Morgan---Cleaned-Or-Not?--What-Would-It-Grade?
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It is hard to tell from the photos but it doesn't appear cleaned to me. Perhaps the lines you see are die polish lines? It looks to be AU-55 to me.
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AU-55 and does not appear to be cleaned.
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Here is one more picture of the hairlines I see on the observe. I really struggle to tell the difference between cleaning scratches and honest circulation scratches. Does this better screenshot make any difference in your opinion or do you still say this is an honest lightly circulated coin? Thanks!



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AU details, obverse damage. Reverse appears semi-prooflike. IMO, the hit under the eye is hard enough to details the coin unless you get a very lenient TPG grader.
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AU-55, not cleaned. I'm on the fence whether the hit on the face would detail it. It looks too big for a bag mark. Either way, it's pretty distracting.
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Grade wise, I think it's a 55. With that hit under the eye, it would possibly detail out, but I doubt you would ever submit this for TPG, so that probably doesn't matter.

On the cleaned part of your question, if you look at the first and third photo of the obverse there appears to be a darker golden band near the peripheries, among the closely packed details of the elements of the design, that immediately disappears once it goes out into the fields.

That could either be simple toning near the periphery, which is great, or it could be a light cleaning attempt. That cleaning didn't get down into the lettered areas for example, but does show up in the open field areas.

The only way to tell this, one from the other, is to see how the luster moves on the coin. Even with your excellent photos, that's a hard call to make if not in hand.
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AU Details
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AU-55, but with or without details the gouge puts me off.
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This Morgan is from an interesting sub-set with the fourth star unbroken/ r in trust broken - only two varieties, VAM-5 and 6. I think you have a VAM-5 based on the dimple on the cheek.
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That hit on the cheek is pretty destracting.

It might technically be an AU-55, but I think the hit brings it down to AU-53
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AU-55.
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