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Pillar of the Community
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(15)60 Mansfeld-Eisleben thaler. beautiful coin with powerful design the legend in the OBV has five names, why? |
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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1559 Jeton, Chambre des comptes à Dijon, copper Feuardent 9952   |
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Pillar of the Community
 United States
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I also liked that Mansfeld thaler! Hungary 1559 1 denar   |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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the legend in the OBV has five names, why? It seems the House of Mansfeld was fragmented into several branches in the late middle ages. I think the 5 names refer to fewer people: Count Hans Georg (IOHAN GE), Count Peter Ernst (PETER ERNS) and perhaps one other? Peter Ernst wound up becoming a governor of the Spanish Netherlands, which is probably why you know the history and will correct my guess! |
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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thanks for the info tdziemia; no testing at all  just happy to learn that Peter Ernst was Governor in the Southern Provinces which I did not know in this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter...ld-Vorderort page: you can read about his two marriages (Margaretha van Brederode and later Marie de Montmorency); this surely connected him to the Low Countries. |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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tdziemia is correct. The rulers are Johann Georg I, Peter Ernst I and Christoph II. One of my references notes the following: Quote:
Coins of Mansfeld in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries are of remarkable similarity. The St. George and Dragon motif is found on virtually every piece. This, in conjunction with the numbers of family lines, large amounts of silver to mint coins and the rulers of one line issuing coins together with rulers of other lines, results in a enormous number of virtually indistinguishable talers...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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There is a thread under World Coins about medieval coins with images of saints (one of the themes in my collection). Mansfeld is well known for these images of St. George, and I would probably be shopping for one of those thalers if I didn't already have a couple of St. George coins from Ferrara Italy (One was posted here for the year 1597).
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04/10/2018 9:35 pm
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 United States
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Here is a Denar from Lithuania dated 1559 AD. I have it attributed as Kopicki 3217.   "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Spence, I love that old ancient coin you have from 1559 AD! It's in pretty good shape for how old it is too! Definitely would make a great addition to anybody's collection.
Errers and Varietys.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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1558 -- Hungary, 1 denar:   |
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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1558 Spanish Netherlands Philipsdaalder Duchy of Brabant mint of Maastricht (mintmaster mark = star)   |
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Pillar of the Community
Belgium
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looking at this page, one may conclude that the Lithuania and Maastricht mints during the same period used the same mintmaster mark *
today, with branding, trademark law etc etc this situation would be impossible
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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But one of them has used a 6-pointed star, and the other a 5-pointed one (or perhaps a starFISH?) to avoid this issue  |
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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1c5d7n5m, I can see that your ancient coin has a Cud (Major Die Break) and Die Cracks on the reverse of your coin. I'm not sure if you noticed it, but if you didn't, now you know.  Errers and Varietys.
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United States
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looking at this page, one may conclude that the Lithuania and Maastricht mints during the same period used the same mintmaster mark * Yes interesting point. I think that the star has been used by dozens of mints and mintmasters over the years. in the particular case of Maastrict vs. Lithuania, I think that they were safe since one had five rays while the other had six. Speaking of Lithuania, here is a Half-Groshen of mine that is dated 1558 AD. I have it attributed as Kopicki 3257.   Added: Thx @E&V. Maybe we will see you expanding your collection at some point? "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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04/11/2018 8:59 pm
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