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Just Received Another Fake Coin From Ebay Seller, Sigh...

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 Posted 01/16/2017  2:32 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add silverai to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I just received another fake japanese meiji silver coin today. I bought it from a good feedback seller from Japan. This is the 3rd time already... ebay can help me to get the money back but the return process is annoying and time consuming.
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 Posted 01/16/2017  3:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add moxking to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
One of those coins that China has decided to produce in mass quantities. Even having a good eye for the real thing, I'd still get an NGC and not miss getting beat again.
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 Posted 01/16/2017  9:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Spence to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@silverai, yes that is depressing. Consider posting the name of the seller of the fake, pics of the "coin", and how you know it isn't real so that others can learn from your mistake.
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 Posted 01/16/2017  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add silverai to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
@Spence, I don't want to post the seller ID b/c I am not sure if they know the coin is fake or not.
3 fishy seller indicators:
1) Blurry or small image.
2) No accepting return.
3) Seller sells all sort of things, including antique cookware/jewelry, be careful!

How do I know those silver coins are fake?
1) Ping tests. I can compare the tone with other real coins.
2) I use baking soda and aluminum foil to clean the coin tarnish but they don't have any reaction. Real silver coin should release rotten egg odor and majority of tarnish should be removed.

I uploaded the testing result on Youtube and proved it to the seller and ebay. ebay forced the seller to accept the return and refunded my purchase + return shipping fee.
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01/16/2017 11:29 pm
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@silverai, yes that is depressing. Consider posting the name of the seller of the fake, pics of the "coin", and how you know it isn't real so that others can learn from your mistake.

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 Posted 01/17/2017  12:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
silverai You actually voided any ebay guarantee by cleaning the coin. You should never clean a coin using baking soda. If the seller determines the coin has been chemically altered, he could ask for the finding to be reversed. In the past - you would have lost automatically.


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I use baking soda and aluminum foil to clean the coin tarnish but they don't have any reaction. Real silver coin should release rotten egg odor and majority of tarnish should be removed.


The reaction you are looking for "the rotten egg odor" is hydrogen sulfide produced by a chemical reaction with silver sulfide tarnish. The process pits the coin slightly even if you do not touch the coin while the chemical reaction takes place. I do not know what you do with the aluminum foil in the process.

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 Posted 01/17/2017  08:15 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coinworldtv to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with swamperbob here, it is just foolish to use baking soda or any other over the counter chemicals on your coins.

Cleaning is generally not something one should do.

There are conservation services by NCS and PCGS for that.

Furthermore I would give the coin for conservation only after I confirm itīs authenticity.

Beware of sellers who are registered in one country (you can check this on the seller details page where the feedback records are shown), but show the itemīs location in a different country.

This type of sellers have often something to hide in general or just use friendīs addresses to register a new account after their own has been blocked.

And finally, a good feedback does not mean 20, 50, 100 or 200 feedbacs from a dozen of buyers (or sellers) and of items which are worth below $10.

There are many fraudalent sellers who accumulate 200 feedback fast from 0.99 cent items, all sold or bought from their friends and suddenly offer a couple of rare Bavarian 2 thaler coins in near mint state for $200-$300 (often also with a return priviledge), which later turns out to be a fake.

Please show us a photograph of the coin anyway, just to make sure, what we are talking about here.
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Actually I have used just aluminum foil method in an oven say at 400*F for a given time period. IMO its a good way to slowly induce natural toning to a coin. If a coin has been lightly cleaned I may go this method for 90% Ag. In terms of rotten eggs we have H2S or hydrogen sulfide. Since the two most common contaminants on a coin's surface is chlorine and sulfur from environmental exposure your introduction of bicarbonate makes the H2S. It really has nothing to do whether its silver or not as most heavily toned coins are rich in sulfur and chlorine on the SURFACE whether copper, brass, bronze, silver or any other alloy.

In terms of cleaning I developed a formula for cleaning primarily copper which imposes no change in the patina. I have given it to a select few collectors at $25/bottle. It works great on silver coins. I try not to convince people as most will never believe me ... after they try it some love it but some say its not strong enough but that is because they lack surface chemistry knowledge on how sensitive a copper surface is to chemicals ... LOL.

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 Posted 01/18/2017  07:56 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add gxseries to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This has to be one of the most absurd way to prove something is fake based on "smell" test. Altered surface at best if it ever turned out to be genuine.

On top of it, to prove it with a video... What am I expecting - some dramatic video of "THIS STINKS!"? This idea itself stinks.
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