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1875 IHC No Dot On N Anymore...

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Can a Dot on N variety exist if the dot is worn off ?
It has all the pick up points but the dot on the N is worn off, I believe...


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I believe this very topic was discussed in a post a few years ago that I cannot find, but, yes, I don't believe a variety loses its status as a variety because the markers are worn off. However,I think the value of a variety diminshes as the coin wears and the markers begin to disappear until you reach a point that all the markers are gone and the variety no longer carries a premium..
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I got it fairly cheap and was hoping I could see the dot but no such luck.
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The dot is probably the highest point on the reverse so I can see the possibility of it totally wearing off. I find the history behind the dot interesting. I wonder if they ever caught the thief.
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Mint of the United States Coiner's Department Philadelphia
August 24, 1875
The Honorable James Pollock, Sup't. Sir:
Having reported to you my suspicions as to the honesty of X [the name is left out of letter because. & will be seen below, the man was not really a hardened criminal] employed in the coining room of this department and having received from you before your departure into the country authority to suspend him in case my suspicions were con rmed or strengthened I have the honor to submit the following facts in relation to the further development of the case.
On the morning after our conference I was satis ed from the evidence presented to me that X had taken some of the one cent coins and had them on his person. But being anxious to x his guilt clearly beyond any cavil or doubt, I instructed him not to use more than one coining press so that X's actions could be the more closely watched and that he should report to me any suspicious actions on X's part About 11 a.m. Mr. Downing reported that X had been acting in a suspicious manner and that in his judgment he had some of the marked coin on his person. In your absence I sent for Mr. Hickox, acting superintendent, and informed him of all the facts, and requested him to remain with me whilst I sent for and examined Mr. X, which he did.
I sent for X, and after closing the door to prevent our being disturbed I told him that some of the employ- ees suspected him of taking coin out of the coining room. He was little agitated, but laughingly told me that it was
a great mistake. I then asked him whether he had any coin on his person and he said be had some, which had been given him by his son. I told him that any coin given him by his son could be designated as the coin of today had been struck upon a marked die.
At this he immediately became very distressed and wanted a private interview. I went with him into the vault connected with my room and he in there confessed that he had recently taken a few cents and begged me to overlook the offense. I told him how much distressed I was to see that an old man of his long connection with the Mint detected al such an offense. I sincerely sympathized with his family and himself, but I could not overlook an offense which was known to several of the employees as well as to you, the superintendent.
I then took him back to the presence of Mr. Hickox, where he again confessed his guilt. I then exhibited to Mr. Hickox two (2) pieces from the marked dies given to me by Mr. Downing and asked X to take out of his pocket the coin he had pilfered. After some trouble he was made to empty his pockets and we found upon him thirty-three (33) cents marked in a similar manner to the ones previously in my possession. These pieces were sealed up in our own presence together with the proper endorsement Mr. Downing was requested to put up another lot from the same press in an envelope and seal the same which he did. These packages are now in my vault and subject to your exami- nation. I immediately suspended him.
Mr. X tendered his resignation for such action as you may see t. Mr. X has been connected with this insti- tution almost continuously for over 50 years. He is now a very old man, being upwards of 76 years of age. Of late he has manifested in many ways the weakness of his mind and I think it charitable to say that his grave fault can be attributed to mental decay and weakness more than any other cause.
The feeblemindedness has manifested itself in a marked manner since his recent detection and peculations. At one moment he appears in the very depths of despair and humiliation demeaning himself for the crime. With the very next he speaks of himself as the poor victim of uncharitable people.
I felt it in my duty to present the whole facts for such action as you may deem proper. I will add that from present appearances I do not think X will long survive this terrible blow. His mental suffering I will
not attempt to describe. One cannot witness it unmoved.
I am, very respectfully
(signed) A. Loudon Snowden, Coiner.
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Thanks, Raymo. Very interesting and sad story. Knowing the history makes the variety even more desirable. I will be taking a closer look at all 1875's.
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One of the great yarns about the IHC series. Agree that a variety is defined by many markers, but that the value would be hugely diminished if the key marker is worn away. Even worn examples of the 1888/7 will usually exhibit a faint stub of the 7, even if magnification is needed, and these fetch decent money.
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