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Help! Looking For This Exact Effigy On A Constantius II

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I know nothing about ancients except they are old and coins.

That being sad, it was awhile ago someone posted on CCF the following picture:
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I have had an ebay notice for all new Constantius II coins to be sent to me in my email now ever since that time. Never has one of the effigies been an exact match.

Can anyone help me understand this? I even contacted an ebay member with a LOT of this coin for sale and asked if they could see if they had one. They did not.

How many different effigies should there be?

Can anyone help me get one? Its just for a serious, but sort of joke gift. This effigy looks too much like Mr. Data off of Star Trek and my son is a great fan. Truthfully, I would also like one for the same reason.



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The coin you are showing is not of Constantius II, the figure is that of Constantius Gallus. If you have been searching for Constantius II that might be part of the problem.

But you are running up against more hidden forces. To get two images that look the same requires a die match. To get that you have to narrow your search to coins from the same mint, which in the case of the coin you show is the mint at Siscia. But that is not enough. At this time (351-355AD), the mint at Siscia was producing this type for Gallus from four workshops (officinae), and the issue was quite prolific. I cannot see the first letter of your mintmark clearly enough to distinguish whether it is alpha, gamma, or delta, though I suspect it is alpha. For the period in question each workshop would have used a great many dies, which were individually cut and not hubbed. So the odds of finding an exact match are not very high.
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Thank you for your information. Also thanks for the clarification. I was hoping that my search was, indeed, for the wrong person.

However, I checked and the ebay search is for Constantius Gallus. Seeing as I know so little (right now!) about these, I am not even sure where I got the name in my title from? I need to look into changing it.


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At this time (351-355AD), the mint at Siscia was producing this type for Gallus from four workshops (officinae), and the issue was quite prolific.

What reading I have done about this so far told me that these were made great numbers, therefore I was hoping to be able to find one rather easily.

I'm also assuming the mint mark for the four letters at the base of the reverses design. What would be the letter between the two sigmas?

Do you know of any place I could go to look for one of these?

Again, thanks.
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Yes, the reverse is one of the most common types. The mintmark is indeed where you think it is.

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Please have a look, there are a few that are kinda close but I think there's no exact match here.
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ADmittedly, this coin has had me looking at ancients. I just finished reading two college textbooks full of Roman contemporary writing and am likely going to go back through them.


I know I could google all day and I might not chance upon what experienced collectors use for reference, researching, etc. I'd like to know things like the known different mint locations etc.


Might I also get help with some good links in this respect also?

Just as an example of some of the things I want to know: I saw this coin is an AE3 - to use an appropriate pun - that designation is Greek to me

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What reading I have done about this so far told me that these were made great numbers, therefore I was hoping to be able to find one rather easily.



AE3 = smaller grade bronze. It is a modern, Latin based designation of coin size. And I think you have determined the right size from what I am seeing.

If all you are looking for is an AE3 "falling horseman" reverse for Constantius Gallus, that would be quite easy. But when you specify that you want an exact match to the obverse engraving, then the large numbers are against you for the reasons I gave earlier. Ancient production methods were nothing like the modern methods. Each obverse die was separately engraved.
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Ancient production methods were nothing like the modern methods. Each obverse die was separately engraved.

Again I thank you for your information. After seeing how many different verses this coin comes in, I had already guessed at what you said above. Maybe one of these days I will run across one.
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